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re: Can anyone defend being a libertarian anymore?

Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:46 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:46 am to
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You’re just lining out all the reasons


SFP Jr.

Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:51 am to
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SFP Jr.


The Thomas Carlyle to your John Locke
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:55 am to
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I thought everyone here was on their knees for Milei and Elon. What happened?


theyre addicted to protectionism and the Fed.

And they dont even know it.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27006 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:58 am to
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Congratulations, you reverse engineered the destruction of the libertarian/anarcho capitalist position


By correcting you on what the ideal of libertarianism espouses?

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This doesn’t offset anything I said about tariffs, unless the equal application eventually results in the overall elimination.


Even if it doesn't, the playing field has still been leveled - or is more leveled than it would otherwise be.

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You’re just lining out all the reasons that a free market does not exist


This seems like the trans argument for why gender is on a spectrum, because there was that one person that one time who was born who phenotypically looked like a woman but had internal testies or something.

A perfectly free market cannot exist. There will always be special circumstances and exceptions to the rule. But we can still strive for a almost exclusively free market.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:59 am to
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You’re just lining out all the reasons that a free market does not exist

Because of people like you who abandoned conservative principles and accepted central planning
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:03 am to
I honestly don’t understand what you’re arguing relating to the thread topic. What do you consider libertarianism to be? Who are the libertarian founding fathers in your opinion? What is the current mechanism for achieving a libertarian government?
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:05 am to
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Because of people like you who abandoned conservative principles and accepted central planning


You’re gonna have to blame your own generation for that padna, I’m only 34 years old and have never influenced policy.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:06 am to
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You’re gonna have to blame your own generation for that padna,


You dont even realize that youre making the same progressive argument as "we have fire fighters and police so you already have Socialism."

You need a libertarian influence to keep you MAGAs from running things off the rails.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:11 am to
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You need a libertarian influence to keep you MAGAs from running things off the rails.




And the mask slips off

Libertarianism is a containment and gatekeeping strategy to use against the far right. It was developed by liberals and marxists in the 19th century.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
27006 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:12 am to
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I honestly don’t understand what you’re arguing relating to the thread topic.


Maintaining a border doesn't go against libertarian ideals.
Creating tariffs don't necessarily go against libertarian ideals.

You honestly can't understand what I'm arguing? You were just trying to counter those exact points until you realized you couldn't.

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What do you consider libertarianism to be?


I'm not sure if you're equipped for this discussion, as merely mentioning the definition of libertarianism has you stumbling.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:14 am to
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Libertarianism is a containment and gatekeeping strategy to use against the far right.


These dumbass conspiracy theories..

Yes, everyone is against you. BOO!


Progressives always push back on freedom
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:14 am to
Imagine taking the position that "I'd like the government to leave me alone" is wrong.
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:15 am to
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I'm not sure if you're equipped for this discussion, as merely mentioning the definition of libertarianism has you stumbling.


What definition? When did you give this? I was asking for it in the previous post. Please share
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466927 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:16 am to
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Even if it doesn't, the playing field has still been leveled - or is more leveled than it would otherwise be.

If this is done via government, that's specifically not libertarian in principle

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This seems like the trans argument for why gender is on a spectrum

Gender is on a spectrum. Sex is not.

Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:17 am to
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You need a libertarian influence to keep you MAGAs from running things off the rails.


What is your libertarian opinion on a national military, including scope?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:18 am to
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What is your libertarian opinion on a national military, including scope?


Defend our borders, period.

No bases abroad. Zero. No foreign aid.
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:20 am to
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Defend our borders, period. No bases abroad. Zero. No foreign aid.


So you believe in borders. I support this position of libertarians even though many would disagree.

Do you want that defense my means of private or public military?
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
41553 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:21 am to
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Imagine taking the position that "I'd like the government to leave me alone" is wrong.


Imagine using a hands off approach to correct an overreaching government, clinging to your principles as you take your 10th booster, confidently asserting your inalienable rights as you are taken to prison for wrongthink.

The way to get government out of your life is to create a government that doesn’t care about interfering in your life. When you have an enemy fully committed to Machiavellian power politics, fighting back with platitudes gets you to current year America.

Congratulations on your moral superiority.
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:23 am to
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Gender is on a spectrum. Sex is not.


Would you agree majority of people who believe gender is ona spectrum are on the spectrum?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297285 posts
Posted on 2/17/25 at 9:23 am to
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So you believe in borders.


Most do,

The libertarian (Ron Paul type) is that workers come and go based on economic activity (proven by data)

We need a better system of tracking guest workers, as MOST illegals are people who overstay their visa, NOT people who jump the border.

My stance is looser immigration helps during economic expansion, and hurts when times get tighter. You can have loose worker immigration if you do not have welfare.

But this isnt the case here, so you need some control
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