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Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:12 am to
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Powerman


You forgot to enlighten me as to Israel's bigger plans... what are they?
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:13 am to
No. I see the writing on the wall. Israel is in a race against time against Iran. Not because of the nuclear threat. But because of Iran's missile capabilities. If Israel can't take out their missile launchers quickly they're in for a prolonged war.

Trump isn't some righteous person that will do the right thing for the reasons you think. But he won't back a loser. And since we're on Israel's side we won't allow them to lose. So either Israel neuters Iranian missile capabilities or we get dragged into this.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:21 am to
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Israel is in a race against time against Iran. Not because of the nuclear threat. But because of Iran's missile capabilities. If Israel can't take out their missile launchers quickly they're in for a prolonged war.


So... you're telling me one has to win, one has to lose. Which one would you, personally, rather see neutered? And why?

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Trump isn't some righteous person that will do the right thing for the reasons you think.


No one is righteous, not even one. But you're telling me he WILL do the right thing, just for a different reason than I'm thinking of? Lawd you have me confused.
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But he won't back a loser. And since we're on Israel's side we won't allow them to lose.


So... is Israel the projected winner because we back them or do we back them because they are the projected winner? Again, you are confusing.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:26 am to
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So... you're telling me one has to win, one has to lose. Which one would you, personally, rather see neutered? And why?

Ideally Israel successfully takes out Iranian missile sites quickly and can put an end to the back and forth. That's the scenario where the fewest people die. If that doesn't happen then they'll keep exchanging blows and innocent people on both sides die.

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So... is Israel the projected winner because we back them or do we back them because they are the projected winner? Again, you are confusing.

There is no real winner here. Everyone loses thanks to Israel starting an avoidable war. If we're lucky the only thing we lose is billions in supporting them. That is the absolute best case scenario. We lose no matter what thanks to Israel. You don't seem to understand this. It's just to what extent we lose to assure that they win.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:29 am to
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Ideally Israel successfully takes out Iranian missile sites quickly and can put an end to the back and forth.


Yeah... so what's the pushback from you even been about? The above seems to be the gameplan of the moment.

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Everyone loses thanks to Israel starting an avoidable war


Really?

Out of curiosity... where do you stand on the Ukraine?
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:31 am to
Again, Powerman... what are Israel's "Bigger Plans" in this war?
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:34 am to
They have expansionist ambitions. I don't think it will work. This was will not benefit Israel even if they "win"
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:36 am to
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They have expansionist ambitions.


Are you serious?

Where, exactly, would they expand to?? Expansionist... I just don't see it.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:40 am to
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I just don't see it.


Me either.
Posted by Neutral Underground
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:45 am to
Trump has said from the very beginning that Iran would never be allowed to have Nukes.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:48 am to
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Where, exactly, would they expand to?? Expansionist... I just don't see it.

You think they're bombing southern Lebanon for sport? They're trying to expand settlements there and have said so. You think they're bombing Syria for no reason? They want to expand all the way to Damascus and have said so. You have to understand that most of the proxies that attack Israel are in response to Israeli expansion. Hezbollah didn't just magically appear one day for no reason. Same with Hamas. Are they vile entities? Sure. Do they exist because of Israeli expansion? Yes. And since Iran funds these proxies that impede their expansion they're a natural enemy. But tell yourself it's all about scary Iran having a nuke and going after peaceful non aggressive Israel if you want. Israel is looking to expand their borders with the blood of their neighbors and plays the victim when there are very predictable consequences to those actions.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:53 am to
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Do they exist because of Israeli expansion? Yes.


Please regale us with Israel's expansion history.

Anywhere they've lost or gained territory, please cite the circumstance.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 3:56 am to
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Trump has said from the very beginning that Iran would never be allowed to have Nukes.


Yeah.. that's what I thought I knew to be true, too... guess we were wrong.
Posted by AUJACK
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:02 am to
You need to get over your emotions, not trying to be derogatory to you.. As SallysHuman stated, The President of the United States is getting the intel, every news pundit and message board warrior is just speculating.
Posted by AUJACK
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:05 am to
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They have some law there that requires permission from whatever they call the AG there. He has to review and make sure everything is legal internationally.


Bless your heart.
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:09 am to
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Please regale us with Israel's expansion history.

Anywhere they've lost or gained territory, please cite the circumstance.

I need to get to sleep. I'll be hopeful that you do some of your own research since it seems you have a very limited understanding of their history.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:11 am to
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I'll be hopeful that you do some of your own research


I did. Wanted to check if YOU know the history of their territorial boundaries.

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I need to get to sleep.


Night, night!
Posted by AUJACK
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:32 am to
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They have expansionist ambitions. I don't think it will work. This was will not benefit Israel even if they "win"


Israel does not have enough IDF personnel to have expansionist plans. The majority of IDF are reserves. If Israel occupies any area that is not next door (Gaza), then they would not have enough soldiers to defend Israel. The IDF and Israel is only concerned about defending Israel.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:34 am to
I'm not saying the ambitions are smart or practical. It's pretty much suicide. But the extremist party that rules Israel now does have those long term goals.
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:46 am to
They came back a few weeks ago
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