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re: At its core, what actually causes radical Islamist's ideals?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:14 am to UnAnon
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:14 am to UnAnon
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Islam is literally an abrahmic religion and literally believes in all the prophets you do.
This is an absolute lie that continues to be posted on here. The Christian God and the Jewish one for that matter is Jehoveh God. The Muslims worship Alah, who neither has a son, but the opposite, where he has daughters. It's easy to keep repeating this fallacy, but it doesn't make it so.
If I said to you, this is John Brown and you said," I know a John Brown." And I say," this John Brown has a son and no daughters." And you would reply, " well this John Brown has no son, but three daughters. It must be the same guy!" You would think he was nuts and rightfully so.
Mohamed's father was a pagan like many of his era and worshipped numerous gods. One of these gods was the moon god, who Mohamed later made into Alah, the supposed one true God. This is the reason that the Muslim flag uses a crescent moon as it's symbol.
But since the narrative that the Chrstian God and the Muslim god are the same appeals to your preconceived leanings, you disregard logic and accept it anyway.
Maybe you should educate yourself on the subject?
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 6:22 am
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:16 am to omegaman66
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Religion is not about reform.
Sure it is. Christianity managed to do it.
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A religion is basically a set of laws and beliefs that are sent down from a higher power.
Whose "higher power?" Yours or theirs?
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Reform is nearly impossible because PEOPLE aren't allowed to change laws passed down from deities'.
People are allowed to do anything they like, even if you believe in your god.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:19 am to Tunasntigers92
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Playing devils advocate here, the "good muslims" insist that the Quran preaches peace, so where is the disconnect?
The Quran also teaches that it is OK to lie to the infidel.
That should be your answer
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:25 am to Revelator
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If I said to you, this is John Brown and you said," I know a John Brown." And I say," this John Brown has a son and no daughters." And you would reply, " well this John Brown has no son, but three daughters. It must be the same guy!" You would think he was nuts and rightfully so.
More accurately, it's the same made-up John Brown with a primitive quarrel over how many sons or daughters your made-up John Brown had.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:37 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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More accurately, it's the same made-up John Brown with a primitive quarrel over how many sons or daughters your made-up John Brown had.
Ascribing to the belief that both are made up is different than ascribing to the belief that the real or perceived gods are the same and share the same attributes.
Thor and Neptune are both fictional but not the same.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 6:41 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 6:48 am to Tunasntigers92
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:02 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Reform is nearly impossible because PEOPLE aren't allowed to change laws passed down from deities'.
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People are allowed to do anything they like, even if you believe in your god.
Free will and all
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:02 am to Tunasntigers92
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Playing devils advocate here, the "good muslims" insist that the Quran preaches peace, so where is the disconnect?
It's the same way the Klan can use the bible to preach their hate. If you take quotations out of context you can spin them to support almost any ideology.
Have any of you ever actually read the Quran? Or are you just believing whatever bullshite someone has told you is in it?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:04 am to Revelator
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Ascribing to the belief that both are made up is different than ascribing to the belief that the real or perceived gods are the same and share the same attributes.
First, it's not a belief that they are made-up.
Whether they share the same belief or not is irrelevant. Your god and theirs are the same entity with different mythologies.
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Thor and Neptune are both fictional but not the same.
In the sense that they exist, they're both exactly the same. Same with your god and theirs.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:05 am to Tunasntigers92
Islam??
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:06 am to Revelator
Fundamentalist Jews, Christians and muslims all expect their religion to reign supreme
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:06 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your god and theirs are the same entity with different mythologies.
I'm not going to continue debating with you about this because you don't believe anyway and it's irrelevant. But you are wrong.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:07 am
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:10 am to Revelator
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I'm not going to continue debating with you about this because you don't believe anyway and it's irrelevant.
Of course not, because you have nowhere to stand in this debate. Making shite up is no way to win a point.
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But you are wrong.
I'm 100% correct, as always.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:14 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Making shite up is no way to win a point.
The story of how Allah came to be is a historical one and can be looked up and studied by anyone who wants to know the truth.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:21 am to Revelator
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The story of how Allah came to be is a historical one and can be looked up and studied by anyone who wants to know the truth.
No, it isn't. The story of how Islam adopted Abraham's god is a historical one. I get the desire to separate yourselves as much as possible, but there's a large amount of undeniable commonality that will never go away. We aren't in the Middle Ages anymore.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:23 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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I'm 100% correct, as always.
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kaisch 2020
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DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:25 am to SDVTiger
That's a statement of support, not a prediction.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:27 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's a statement of support,
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:27 am to SDVTiger
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:31 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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No, it isn't. The story of how Islam adopted Abraham's god is a historical one. I get the desire to separate yourselves as much as possible, but there's a large amount of undeniable commonality that will never go away. We aren't in the Middle Ages anymore.
While it's true that the decendents of Ismael did serve Jehoveh God at a point in history past and his decendents are believed to be the modern day Muslims, there was a point in time where Mohamed created this god Allah out of whole cloth for personal reasons and there was a concrete deviation from thier decendents former religious practices and a new one established along with completely new theological writings to accompany this new belief system.
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