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re: All the talk on Roe V. Wade
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:15 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:15 pm to AggieHank86
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What rights that entity has and when they accrue?
Start with the basis of any right. The right to life? Not that complex a thing to understand.
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:16 pm to Joshjrn
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By analogy, when I say that I should be able to shoot and kill an intruder in my home, I'm not arguing that I should be able to do so because the intruder is "expendable". I'm arguing that my rights in that situation are superior to his, and so I get to make a choice: allow the intrusion, or dispel the intruder.
this is somewhat disingenuous. In this scenario, the intruder is willfully taking action which you are justifiably interpreting as a threat to your life and responding appropriately.
I don't think anyone is arguing that if the fetus is a threat to the mother's life, that she shouldn't be allowed to do what is necessary to save her own life, up to and including abortion.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:16 pm to Dale51
quote:Self-awareness is one definition (or component) of sentience, depending upon who you read. The word “sentience” is problematic to use in this context because (1) one definition applies to all higher mammals and (2) another definition applies to an organism with human-like intelligence and self-awareness.
So now the criteria is "self awareness"? Do I have that correct?
This is why so many of these semantic arguments are totally specious. Two people use the same word according to different definitions, and they just talk past one another.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:18 pm to AggieHank86
Aggie, remind me about 20:1. I don't follow. We're supposed to be more than animals.
That's a copout to say, "Afterall, we're only mammals."
That's a copout to say, "Afterall, we're only mammals."
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:18 pm to Dale51
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This was in context to the "expending" a human life via
abortion..or nah?
You should probably look up the word "expend".
This post was edited on 7/14/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:18 pm to AggieHank86
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On both sides, there are twenty idiots for every person who actually understands the issues.
And that issue is what?? The right to "choose"? Fine. If you accept that as supreme, then the choice of the father is equally important, correct? If not, why not?
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:20 pm to AggieHank86
quote:That's why it's so important to define the terms. If you disagree on the terms, themselves, you either have to end the argument there, adjust the argument to ignore using those terms, or argue about the terms, themselves to try to find a point of agreement prior to continuing.
This is why so many of these semantic arguments are totally specious. Two people use the same word according to different definitions, and they just talk past one another.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:20 pm to Dale51
quote:Really? Both Josh and I have agreed on “life” and “human.”. We just do not see those factors as being determinative as to the vesting of rights.
You're dealing with science deniers. No different than holocaust deniers, I've heard.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:21 pm to AggieHank86
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Both Josh and I have agreed on “life” and “human.”. We just do not see those factors as being determinative as to the vesting of rights.
the right to life?
yikes.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:22 pm to Dale51
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Don't want ato get pregnant, use birth control, or don't have sex.
Ahhh and here we finally get to the real meat of it. Conservative christians trying to force their values on others and stop them from having sex. Perfectly fine for you to get yours whenever you want but helllllll no nobody else can be having that dirty sex. Self righteousness stinks. Stop trying to control other people.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:23 pm to Ole Messcort
Trump's Hispanic approval is rising. 6.5 more years of MAGA!
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:24 pm to Dale51
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:25 pm to omegaman66
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Sorry but men and women will never be equal.
In terms of the business world this is absolutely false. Forcing all women to have babies is systematically giving a huge advantage to white men over all others. At least be aware of your gigantic sexist and racist wish.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:26 pm to CptRusty
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this is somewhat disingenuous. In this scenario, the intruder is willfully taking action which you are justifiably interpreting as a threat to your life and responding appropriately.
I don't think anyone is arguing that if the fetus is a threat to the mother's life, that she shouldn't be allowed to do what is necessary to save her own life, up to and including abortion.
You're taking the analogy further than I intended it. I meant it only to rebut the "expendable" argument. If you want an analogy that I've used before and intend it to cover the circumstances you intend, I would use this one:
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:26 pm to Ole Messcort
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Forcing all women to have babies
who is doing this, exactly??
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:27 pm to Ole Messcort
quote:I think you're missing the point. The primary function of sexual intercourse is procreation. The only sure-fire way to prevent pregnancy is to not engage in heterosexual intercourse.
Ahhh and here we finally get to the real meat of it. Conservative christians trying to force their values on others and stop them from having sex. Perfectly fine for you to get yours whenever you want but helllllll no nobody else can be having that dirty sex. Self righteousness stinks. Stop trying to control other people.
I'll admit that as a Christian I think it's a sin against God to fornicate or to have sex outside of the confines of marriage. But the religious aspect aside, there are a lot of practical benefits to sexual abstinence and one of them is avoiding unwanted pregnancy.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:27 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:Feel free to call me Hank.
Aggie, remind me about 20:1. I don't follow. We're supposed to be more than animals. That's a copout to say, "Afterall, we're only mammals.
20:1 is shorthand for an earlier comment that for every person on either side of this issue (Pro-Life or Pro-Choice) who actually UNDERSTANDS the issue, there are twenty morons who just parrot points that fly right over their heads.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:28 pm to CptRusty
It is hypocrisy to shout "ban all guns," yet support abortions.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:30 pm to Joshjrn
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I think a more appropriate analogy would be that I live in a cabin out in the middle of the woods, thousands of miles from civilization. One day I come home from fishing to find some random guy in my cabin. I level my rifle and ask who the frick he is, and why is he in my cabin. He tells me that he was in a helicopter crash in which he was the only survivor. He has been wandering for days and was on the brink of starvation before he saw smoke rising from my chimney and stumbled across my cabin. My cabin door was unlocked and slightly ajar, so he went inside and started eating my food because it's his only option for survival, as he has zero wilderness survival knowledge or training. I tell him to get out, now. He begs me to let him stay, or he'll starve to death. I then forcefully evict him from my cabin. He stands in my front yard staring at me for days, looking forlorn, until he finally dies of dehydration.
Well if you shot down the guys helicopter, then maybe you aught to give him some food and water until help arrives?
You have completely ignored the mother's responsibility for the fetus' existence with this analogy.
Posted on 7/14/18 at 3:32 pm to Ole Messcort
No one is trying to "force" their beliefs on anyone....we're just stating fact: left undisturbed, the normal course for a fetus is to be born, wear diapers, go to school, get a job....live life, etc.
Just like YOU.
Just like YOU.
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