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re: AFT Pistol Brace rule creates a trap for lawful gun owners

Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:02 am to
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:02 am to
Refuse to fund the ATF until they drop this BS.

I know abolishment of the ATF would be great, but I’m speaking in the context of what the House has the means to do given that we have a (D) Senate and a (D) Tater-In-Chief
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20704 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:02 am to
I sold that gun. I never got the name of the gy I sold it to. HUH! Too bad.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102715 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:23 am to
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Glad I don't have any of those to worry about


It’s all redundant and is based on accessories rather than the weapon itself.

Imo any semi auto weapon should be legal.

As with full auto and explosives get rid of the “made before 1986” crap and tax stamps/transfers/registration. If you want to buy full auto or explosives you get a single license after a full background check and training. No private sales of these allowed it must go through FFL and you if you want to sell one you go through FFL. Record is kept of who owns full autos
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
16439 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:23 am to
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Will simply removing “get rid of” the brace be legal?

Can’t seem to find that answer


The document I saw from the ATF said you could remove the brace. No mention of destroying it or throwing it away.

Similar to a forearm grip for a pistol.

ETA:
quote:

Finally, with respect to the suggestion that short-barreled rifles and shotguns be removed from the scope of the NFA, doing so is not within the Department’s authority and therefore is beyond the scope of this rule.


Option3 pg 271
quote:

Permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached, thereby removing the weapon from regulation as a “firearm” under the NFA. The Department recognizes that the removal of a “stabilizing brace” from a firearm that was originally received as a “short-barreled rifle” results in the production of a “weapon made from a rifle,” as defined by the NFA. However, the Department in its enforcement discretion will allow persons to reconfigure the firearm to a pistol by [INSERT DATE 120 DAYS AFTER DATE OF PUBLICATION IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER] and will not require the registration of these firearms as a “weapon made from a rifle.”
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizingbracespdf/download

It won't stand judicial scrutiny.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299570 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:24 am to
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It’s all redundant and is based on accessories rather than the weapon itself.


Democrats want to ban pistol grips and muzzle devices. They're so fricking stupid.

Its my guess these precious little girls think muzzle devices are actually "silencers."
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:25 am to
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This rule is effective the date it is published in the Federal Register.  Any weapons with “stabilizing braces” or similar attachments that constitute rifles under the NFA must be registered no later than 120 days after date of publication in the Federal Register; or the short barrel removed and a 16-inch or longer rifle barrel attached to the firearm; or permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached; or the firearm is turned in to your local ATF office. Or the firearm is destroyed.
Posted by LolStarFishlol
Member since Jan 2023
728 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:32 am to
How long do we have to wait until the Supreme Court steps in?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299570 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:34 am to
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Refuse to fund the ATF until they drop this BS.


I have no desire to have an AR pistol, but for the life of me I cannot understand why they want to ban pistol braces in any functional way.

Ive got the opposite problem, my guns are too big and heavy.
Posted by self_service
Member since Oct 2016
705 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:34 am to
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:47 am to
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How long do we have to wait until the Supreme Court steps in?



I don’t know but I ain’t doing jack until they render a decision. If they render an unfavorable decision I’ll probably slap a 16” upper on my SBR at that time. I don’t see them upholding this BS though.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 11:48 am
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:49 am to
I really hope Justice Thomas gets his hands on this. Has potential to be the biggest Second Amendment win since it was written.
Posted by BigMob
Georgia
Member since Oct 2021
7625 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:55 am to
One of our renown commie bitches is downvoting.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
19904 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:58 am to
Law will never stand.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 12:06 pm to
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One of our renown commie bitches is downvoting.


I think that's actually one of my stalkers. Maybe he'll show up here and confirm.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42353 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:08 pm to
So anyone owning a short barrel semi-auto rifle is currently a felon?
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6630 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:49 am to
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but for the life of me I cannot understand why they want to ban pistol braces in any functional way.


it's for your safety!!! SBRs are less accurate. they shoot bullets at lower velocity (less deadly). they make more noise. and they produce more felt recoil.

IT'S FOR YOUR SAFETY!
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:39 am to
All of this and more are why I will get rid of the ATF.
Goodbye ATF
Posted by Tmo Sabe
GA
Member since Mar 2022
978 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:44 am to
The courts will handle it. Bureaucrats don't get to write the rules they're supposed to enforce.
Posted by Mac Power
Member since Jul 2019
464 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:57 am to
The best option is to give it 60-90 days and see what injunctions are put in place. This one is going to take a long time to figure out. If there is any sanity left in the US, they need to delay action before turning 3 million law abiding Americans into potential felons.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13269 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 7:38 am to
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want to ban pistol grips and muzzle devices


Time to invest in thread caps?
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