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re: African Migrants at Texas Border tested for Ebola
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:52 am to BamaAtl
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:52 am to BamaAtl
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But that's not to say that those trained were incapable of caring for patients with EVD prior to this training. It's more of a refresher, emphasizing the specific points at which most HCW exposures occur (gowning and de-gowning).
Jesus Christ you are just plain stupid... Just because you have training does not mean that all of the other safety procedures, precautions and other items necessary to deal with Ebola allows for the safe treatment of Ebola outside of those four facilities...
You are completely discounting the higher likelihood of cross contamination and infection, as well as introducing Ebola patients into an environment that already has many patients even more susceptible to infection outside of any contamination area set up inside of a facility that is not designed to deal with such a virus...
All you are doing is spouting the talking points some putz in the Obama admin used in an attempt to NOT shut down the movement of people from Africa to the U.S. while Ebola was actively raging in Africa... That is the FIRST thing you do and your savior was unwilling to make that call...
You are a fricking fraud with Google and nothing more...
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Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:52 am to BamaAtl
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being scared of everything is a choice you've made to compensate for your inadequacies
So FEAR is the reason you aren't allowing some of these diseased invaders to share your home with you?
Until you allow these illegals INTO YOUR HOME, EVERYTHING you say on the subject is horse-zhit and hypocrisy....
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:53 am to BamaAtl
quote:yep. exactly. now imagine hundreds of thousands of illegals. and btw, way to bury the lead. i.e. superbugs
It was a US citizen who visited family in India
quote:yep. the situation at the border is MUCH MUCH WORSE
It was not related to immigration at the southern border.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:53 am to bfniii
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so you're admitting it can happen
Anything can happen. I'm saying it won't happen.
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you're also failing to acknowledge that the healthcare system is stressed
Not to the point that we'd miss a hemorrhagic fever outbreak.
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introducing more illegals into the mix will affect the "surveillance systems" and resources in general
Not when they aren't likely to bring the disease in - they're null values as far as the surveillance systems for hemorrhagic fever are concerned.
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it's a variable that will almost certainly have a detrimental effect.
Almost certainly no effect.
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why wouldn't your attitude be to err on the side of caution?
It is of course, the disconnect is I'm erring on the side of reasonable caution and you're erring on the side of unreasonable fear.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:54 am to The Maj
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You are completely discounting the higher likelihood of cross contamination and infection,
I told you, BamaAtl is an Affirmative Action hire...I wasn't joking....
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:55 am to BamaAtl
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and you're erring on the side of unreasonable fear.
Says the person who shuts her door to these poor, downtrodden people....
When you gonna adopt a few of these invaders into your home?
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:56 am to The Maj
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Just because you have training does not mean that all of the other safety procedures, precautions and other items necessary to deal with Ebola allows for the safe treatment of Ebola outside of those four facilities...
Yes it does. Standard precautions and general training around dealing with pathogens spread through blood and body fluids and droplets are omnipresent in US health facilities, despite what some of the people in this thread have lied to make you believe.
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You are completely discounting the higher likelihood of cross contamination and infection
It's called isolation for a reason.
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as well as introducing Ebola patients into an environment that already has many patients even more susceptible to infection outside of any contamination area set up inside of a facility that is not designed to deal with such a virus...
It's called isolation for a reason.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:57 am to BamaAtl
quote:so first, it's possible. second, it doesn't have to start there. more broadly, we're talking about the overall taxing of the us health system which is already experiencing growing pains WITHOUT hundreds of thousands of illegals. they are going to take from the system without putting anything in which is an unsustainable model.
it's unlikely that what they bring in would be the spark for some widespread epidemic
ANY legal citizen getting ANY sort of infection/virus/disease/illness due to illegal immigration is unacceptable. it's the same argument as the homocides. "well, it doesn't happen very often." even one katie steinle is one too many.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 8:58 am to BamaAtl
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spread through blood and body fluids and droplets
Not for dealing with a BSL-4 Virus, they are not... Like I said, you are a fraud...
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It's called isolation for a reason.
Obviously does not work, as demonstrated in Dallas...
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It's called isolation for a reason.
Obviously does not work, as demonstrated in Dallas...
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:01 am to Jake_LaMotta
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We should empty our Prisons deep into Mexico. Would be interesting to hear Mexico's reaction to that.
Send them to Africa would be better.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:06 am to BamaAtl
quote:no, you said it's possible which means you don't know. and you don't.
I'm saying it won't happen
quote:NOT RIGHT NOW. start introducing hundreds of thousands of illegals and that situation will change with the quickness. you aren't this dense. you're just being obtuse because i caught on to your rhetorical deficiencies
Not to the point that we'd miss a hemorrhagic fever outbreak
quote:so you're again admitting it's possible. also, you have no idea what illegals are going to bring in. no idea whatsoever. no one does. hence the reason i cited the superbug article
Not when they aren't likely to bring the disease in
quote:she says right after saying "that one dallas facility" and "well, community hospitals" or probably "well, any reasonably run metro facility." so it's not really null, right?
they're null values as far as the surveillance systems for hemorrhagic fever are concerned
quote:so there could be an effect. also, again, variables. you do not know them all.
Almost certainly no effect
quote:she says after saying
It is of course
I'm saying it won't happen
Not to the point that we'd miss a hemorrhagic fever outbreak
they're null values
Almost certainly no effect
none of those are erring on the side of caution. they are in fact complacent. erring on the side of caution would be "it is absolutely possible and we need to proactively prepare for such an eventuality. first, we need to control the border...." you would not make it in military planning
quote:NOTHING i have said is "unreasonable." not one thing.
you're erring on the side of unreasonable fear
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:06 am to oogabooga68
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BamaAtl is an Affirmative Action hire..
No doubt... Probably a nurses' aid or janitor in a medical facility with access to a computer from time to time...
Long absences when it is time to empty bed pans and change sheets...
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:13 am to The Maj
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Long absences when it is time to empty bed pans and change sheets...
More importantly, some poor illegal alien child is going to DIE because BamaAtl is too AFRAID and too SELFISH to open her home to that child and childs' family...
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:14 am to bfniii
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so first, it's possible.
It's possible that every molecule in your body independently jumps 5 feet to the left in coordination at any time, but it's not likely.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:15 am to oogabooga68
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BamaAtl is an Affirmative Action hire
You guys always try to push the fiction that I'm a minority or female (I'm neither) when you're losing an argument this badly.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:20 am to BamaAtl
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losing an argument this badly.
Lmao... delusion, it is what you have...
Tell me more about the talking points your savior pushed... putz... (noticed you ignored that part)
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:46 am to BamaAtl
quote:"No risk"
There was no risk of migrants bringing Ebola to the US
This is correct
Really?
Dude, rather than continued self-flagellation, sometimes it's best to just pack your bags, admit defeat, and call it a day.
Not only was there a risk of migrants transmitting Ebola and infecting Americans as I'd warned and you denied, IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED!
quote:Dallas Presbyterian deals effectively with ID everyday, as do hospitals all over the US. In contrast to Frieden's idiotic proclamation, those facilities are not equipped to safely handle Ebola. You claimed they were. You were wrong. Doubling down on stupid, even after Frieden was forced to retract and change his moronic "any hospital" premise because he was wrong, only makes you twice wrong.
This is correct. The fact that one Dallas hospital was incompetent . . .
quote:It is only unlikely if you are not the recipient of virus-laden aerosolized particles. Nonetheless you previously claimed it to not be "unlikely" but rather that it would not happen. You were wrong. Your tacit admission though in migrating to the term "unlikely" is noted and acknowledged.
The virus cannot be transmitted through the air via coughing/sneezing to others in the area
An unlikely mode of transmission
quote:Res ipsa loquitur
Tom Frieden
Smart guy!
quote:Of course it is.
Not what I claimed.
quote:That is a non sequitur. My response had nothing to do with changed mode of transmission. So regardless as to whether you said that to someone, it bears no relation to our exchange.
I claimed it's unlikely for a virus to jump modes of transmission
Again, I have no compunction in embarrassing a medical person spreading bullshite fiction about medical issues. I'm happy to continue this as long as you choose.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:47 am to Jake_LaMotta
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Amazing how African Migrants are at the Texas border.
Impossible. The dems here and in the media told us that was just fear-mongering by Trump and that it’s just poor Mexicans who want a better life.
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:49 am to BamaAtl
quote:Nor is Pocahontas. Nonetheless she co-opted the status.
(I'm neither)
Posted on 4/18/19 at 9:53 am to NC_Tigah
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"No risk"
Really?
Through the southern border? No risk. It helps if you keep in mind the context of the discussion when you're making points, or else (like here) you'll be wrong.
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Dallas Presbyterian
Terrible hospital.
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those facilities are not equipped to safely handle Ebola
They are so equipped and trained (even moreso now), but they had significant failings.
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It is only unlikely if you are not the recipient of virus-laden aerosolized particles.
It's just unlikely in general. By the time the viral load is high enough that you're capable of spreading it through sneezes, you're incapacitated and in an isolation room.
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My response had nothing to do with changed mode of transmission.
Of course it did - you're trying to claim that some mutation will make it airborne. It won't.
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