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re: African Migrants at Texas Border tested for Ebola
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:38 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:38 pm to Kentucker
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Is Mexico making money by charging "migrants" a fee to get to the US border?
Dealing with illegals/refugees is a multi-billion dollar business.
The companies that collect the most government bucks are absolutely recruiting and transporting these people from their homeland to the US.
Do you think a bunch of Africans just wake up and think today I be swim to de Mexico? Same with the Central Americans. They have a dozen other countries to choose from that share a language and culture yet they are coming to America.
It is all rigged.
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:39 pm to Lsupimp
Bleedin diversity.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:44 pm to IllegalPete
I spent 2 summers ago near Vail,Colo. I met an illegal Mexican carpenter who was working on a project and was making $20/hr. That doesn't sound like the kind of work that Americans won't do. lol..He told me that he had paid a coyote $3500 to get him across the border back then. And the coyotes are forcing women to hide drugs in their private place in lieu of some of the cost of passage.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:45 pm to Ebbandflow
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The fear! the feeeeeaaarrr
Now do "white nationalists"
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:46 pm to Ebbandflow
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This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 12:44 pm to antibarner
Circling back to this...
Acute Flaccid Myelitis, likely caused by EV-D68, has no relation to immigration. It's a disease endemic to the US.
CDC Fact Sheet
In some sense, they are - the same way any poor marginalized underserved population can be. But in terms of risk of some novel epidemic? Not a likely threat, for a host of reasons. Additionally, recent outbreaks have been contraindicative of having a source pertaining to immigration - most are due to stupid or careless decisions made by US Citizens. Oops.
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We have a polio like disease here that they don't know it's origins yet Dr. Salk-Atl KNOWS that it didn't come from illegals.
Acute Flaccid Myelitis, likely caused by EV-D68, has no relation to immigration. It's a disease endemic to the US.
CDC Fact Sheet
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illegals were no public health threat.
In some sense, they are - the same way any poor marginalized underserved population can be. But in terms of risk of some novel epidemic? Not a likely threat, for a host of reasons. Additionally, recent outbreaks have been contraindicative of having a source pertaining to immigration - most are due to stupid or careless decisions made by US Citizens. Oops.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 12:45 pm to Joe Smo 1234
They should test all those folks for everything.
The third world is a shithole.
And, if they have something, quarantine them until their people can come and collect them.
The third world is a shithole.
And, if they have something, quarantine them until their people can come and collect them.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 12:48 pm to BamaAtl
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Ebola just isn't a disease that can propagate far through a wealthy country with modern healthcare resources.
WTF? So a BSL-4 Virus, is classified as a BSL-4 Virus, why exactly?
You are such a fricking fraud it is not even funny...
Posted on 4/17/19 at 12:55 pm to The Maj
She's a damned fraud with an agenda is what she is, and a dangerous one.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:05 pm to The Maj
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WTF? So a BSL-4 Virus, is classified as a BSL-4 Virus, why exactly?
Hemorrhagic fevers aren't great at propagating through rich countries with well-developed health and surveillance systems. They're too easy to spot, too easy to quarantine, and survivors have some measure of lifetime immunity. They aren't airborne, which helps immensely.
Additionally, we have a working vaccine for ebola now (you're welcome).
Are you in for a bad time if you become infected with Ebola or another hemorrhagic fever? Absolutely, more than any of you know you're going to have a really bad week/month/quarter.
Are you going to spread your disease to enough people to cause a self-sustaining outbreak? Almost certainly not.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:10 pm to BamaAtl
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Are you going to spread your disease to enough people to cause a self-sustaining outbreak?
Go ahead and discount mutation in the system, along with an entire host of other issues...
Vaccine? LMAO, is it as readily available as the avian-flu and swine flu vaccines were? Having a working vaccine and enough of it to influence a significant population group are two different things...
Nice that you did not address the BSL-4 designation for this virus though...
Like I said, you are a fraud with Google... nothing more...
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:15 pm to The Maj
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Go ahead and discount mutation in the system, along with an entire host of other issues...
Didn't see a lot of that in West Africa in 2014-15, not seeing a ton of it so far in eastern Congo in 2018-19. What kind of mutation are you suggesting is likely (not just possible) for EVD?
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Having a working vaccine and enough of it to influence a significant population group are two different things...
With hemorrhagic fever you can practice ring vaccinations, so you don't have to vaccinate everyone. Just enough to break the chain. Given that, and the severity of symptoms for all of the infected, it's a completely different virus in some more favorable ways than influenza.
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Nice that you did not address the BSL-4 designation for this virus though...
That's a designation for safety precautions in a laboratory setting, not a designation for likelihood of causing an epidemic or pandemic. It's not really relevant when you're discussing the likelihood of a virus spreading through a population (vs the virus infecting/killing a worker in a closed environment, in which it would obviously be relevant).
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:21 pm to BamaAtl
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Didn't see a lot of that in West Africa in 2014-15
Really
Among the many mutations identified among the hundreds of genome sequences obtained during the 2013-2016 Ebola virus epidemic, a change from alanine to valine at position 82 (A82V) that arose early in the outbreak was found to increase infectivity in human cells of HIV particles with the Ebola virus glycoprotein. The authors suggested that this change might have been in part responsible for the extent and severity of the outbreak.
The fricking virus mutates every single time it breaks out... It always has and it always will... Like I said, you are a fricking fraud...
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Just enough to break the chain.
So, they have been real effective at breaking the chain in Africa, right? Like I said, certainly available but limited in use and availability in most cases to those that are responding in high risk countries... Again, you are a fricking fraud...
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safety precautions in a laboratory setting,
No shite, it is still the highest safety rating for a lab setting... It speaks to the likelihood of infection and death if the lab worker is exposed to the virus...
So, like I said, you are a fricking fraud and nothing more...
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:31 pm to The Maj
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No shite, it is still the highest safety rating for a lab setting... It speaks to the likelihood of infection and death if the lab worker is exposed to the virus...
Which says nothing about the likelihood of said pathogen spreading through the population in an epidemic. Virulence, Infectivity, and pathogenicity speak to characteristics of the pathogen the individual level, not the population level.
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The fricking virus mutates every single time it breaks out...
Everything mutates most every time it reproduces at a cellular level. But most of those mutations are benign, and you'd never notice them without precise sequencing. Again, what mutations do you propose are likely with EVD that would increase the likelihood of an epidemic?
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So, they have been real effective at breaking the chain in Africa, right?
We're talking about an outbreak in the US, which is in a vastly different situation in terms of health care and surveillance resources, and has a more amenable culture to the types of steps needed to prevent an outbreak from spreading.
Did you forget that we're talking about the likelihood of an outbreak in the US?
Though, to answer your (stupid) question, to date in the Congo the EVD vaccine has proven 97.5% effective and protected >90,000 people from infection.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:34 pm to BamaAtl
Then why is there an outbreak of about 1200 people?
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:36 pm to bamarep
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Then why is there an outbreak of about 1200 people?
In the US? Point me to this unreported outbreak!
In the Congo? Because it's a poor country with astoundingly bad infrastructure (both physical and surveillance) and has cultural apprehension around vaccines and measures needed to stop the spread of EVD.
It's the same reason we've eradicated polio in the US, but not in Pakistan or Afghanistan.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:38 pm to The Maj
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The whole point of virus mutation is for the virus to gain the capability to infect more hosts and become more lethal...
If EVD became more lethal/virulent it would decrease its ability to cause a widespread epidemic.
When you require bodily fluid contact for transmission, if you kill your host too quickly you limit the number of people you can infect. There's a Goldilocks zone.
So, this mutation you linked would make it less likely that EVD caused an epidemic in the US if it were to occur. Oops.
This post was edited on 4/17/19 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:39 pm to BamaAtl
Go help them test by kissing Africans at the border.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 1:39 pm to BamaAtl
Gee Dr Alt why don't I feel safer?
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