re: Abortion as a political issue

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You guys could be right - but i think you underestimate the number of traditionally minded women who think abortion is gross but will take a pro choice view under pressure for the same reason they blacked out their instagram for Floyd - terrified of being on the outside

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I posted lots of data that disagrees with this, unless you think the pressure of an anonymous Gallop or Pew poll will lead to this result.

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Just use the same analysis that created morality (and organized religion, effectively): societal trial and error.

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Nope.

Because someone still has to decide which outcomes are desirable or not. That requires making value judgements. Again, the brand of morality used to make those decisions could be up for debate—utilitarian vs personal freedom, for example, but someone has to prioritize in order to know what results are desired. Otherwise experimentation leads nowhere.

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You're assuming my stance and are doing a bad job.

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No, I'm concluding your stance based on what you've posted vs what you've posted in the past. You haven't kept your personal values out of previous posts about economic issues or immigration issues, for example.

You've posted (a lot) against the trend of abandoning conservative values for political populism.

This is the only time I've ever seen you post in favor of politicians just saying and doing whatever might help them get elected without regard for the policy at all.

So it's a perfectly reasonable conclusion that you care about those other policy positions and don't about this one. Otherwise, what is the explanation for the double standard?

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That's not an ad hom when I point out how bad your analytical skills are.

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Of course it is, and not only because of what I just posted. It's an ad hom (that you just repeated) because it's the definition of an ad hom. You literally used it to avoid addressing the point I made. Shall I post the definition of an ad hom?

And if you think you're making me upset by continuing to post insults, you're not. You aren't winning this debate right now (which is why you're resorting to the ad homs). Probably 70% of the things I have challenged you on, you've simply sidestepped, and your excuse for doing so is transparent as such in context.

You are 100% wrong above when you claim that one can codify a society without consulting moral values or standards. That's obvious to a college sophomore taking Philosophy 101.

Plus, you're operating on a self-defeating premise. "People should keep their personal values out of political calculations." That's a personal value in and of itself.

So if I were you I wouldn't bring up analytical skills in this discussion. I would hope nobody notices.

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Again, we go back to trial and error: will there be more or fewer abortions if Democrats gain more political power?

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That depends on how far we bend our policy to look like theirs, obviously (talk about poor analytical skills).

I don’t put too much faith in pew studies but as I said, I could be wrong.

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i think you underestimate the number of traditionally minded women who think abortion is gross but will take a pro choice view under pressure for the same reason they blacked out their instagram for Floyd - terrified of being on the outside

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When you put it that way I agree.

you deserve a head pat