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ABC: Our Hugely Damning Report About Trump And Flynn Earlier Got One Tiny Detail Wrong
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:41 am
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:41 am
Posted mainly because of the hilarious title
quote:Meanwhile, Brian Ross almost single-handedly granted the Senate a thick smoke screen during passage of its tax proposal.
ABC: Our Hugely Damning Report About Trump And Flynn Earlier Might Have Gotten One Tiny Detail Wrong
That clip rocketed around the news world this afternoon because of one word: “Candidate.” If Trump told Flynn to talk to Russia before the election, as a candidate, that’s a big deal. Not necessarily criminal but possibly criminal. It could be evidence of collusion between the campaign and the Kremlin to defeat Hillary. Or it could be evidence that Trump was working against Obama’s foreign policy as a private citizen, before he’d been elected to anything. The Logan Act has never been used to prosecute someone successfully but if you’re desperate to make a case for it, a major-party candidate going behind the president’s back to negotiate with enemy regimes during an election, without having won anything yet, is potentially fertile ground.
But if Trump told Flynn to talk to Russia after the election, well, that’s no big deal. He was the president-elect, he’d be sworn in within two months, he wanted to make sure the outgoing administration didn’t do anything to royally screw up relations with a foreign power before he had the chance to properly introduce himself to them. It’s awkward when you have a sitting president and a president-elect both trying to conduct foreign policy but it’s inevitable in a system where the winner of the election doesn’t immediately take power on election night. No one’s going to jail over it.
So the “when” is crucial. And yet ABC apparently botched the distinction when Brian Ross told their audience today that “candidate” Trump ordered Flynn to chat with Russia. That suggested contact with Moscow was made before Americans voted, which would be the strongest evidence yet that Trump himself was interested in collusion, a revelation that might potentially imperil his presidency. The stock market plunged on news of it.
And now?
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:44 am to NC_Tigah
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Brian Ross almost single-handedly granted the Senate a thick smoke screen during passage of its tax proposal.
Republicans should give him some kind of formal honorarium for his help in the matter.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:13 am to NC_Tigah
These headlines were hard to find in the content of the article(s)
---REPORT: Flynn says Trump directed him to make contact with Russians...
---Feels president has abandoned him...
--Prepared To Testify Against Trump, Family, White House Staff...
It was a huge assumption. The LATimes reported that the judge literally said Flynn will testify on an individual. BS [on] [Off] Flynn will testify that KT McFarland, and or Kushner, and or President Elect Trump, and or Sam Hill-- instructed him to do his job in diplomacy with Russia and other geopolitical countries.
BS [on] [Off] (As many legal experts have said) Neither Manafort nor Flynn were found to collude with Russia to favor POTUS to win. There is no there, there.
I would not doubt for a second that many cast and characters were a set up for Trump, including the Russian lawyer meeting.
---REPORT: Flynn says Trump directed him to make contact with Russians...
---Feels president has abandoned him...
--Prepared To Testify Against Trump, Family, White House Staff...
It was a huge assumption. The LATimes reported that the judge literally said Flynn will testify on an individual. BS [on] [Off] Flynn will testify that KT McFarland, and or Kushner, and or President Elect Trump, and or Sam Hill-- instructed him to do his job in diplomacy with Russia and other geopolitical countries.
BS [on] [Off] (As many legal experts have said) Neither Manafort nor Flynn were found to collude with Russia to favor POTUS to win. There is no there, there.
quote:Especially when Obama was smacking sanctions on Russia to cover for his muh Russians fake dossier garbage. (Everyone spies on everyone and meddles into their elections-- Russia and the USA for 50 years now) This was a pivotol time and any incoming POTUS admin would have reached out to Russia to not get into a cold war type mess that Obama started. Obama got into a panic because HRC didn't win to cover it all up. As well as, POTUS Obama set POTUS Trump up to spy on him; to utilize the MSM part of the DNC in reporting foreign leader convos and undermining him.
But if Trump told Flynn to talk to Russia after the election, well, that’s no big deal. He was the president-elect, he’d be sworn in within two months, he wanted to make sure the outgoing administration didn’t do anything to royally screw up relations with a foreign power before he had the chance to properly introduce himself to them. It’s awkward when you have a sitting president and a president-elect both trying to conduct foreign policy but it’s inevitable in a system where the winner of the election doesn’t immediately take power on election night. No one’s going to jail over it.
I would not doubt for a second that many cast and characters were a set up for Trump, including the Russian lawyer meeting.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:26 am to cajunangelle
If Mueller tried to use the Logan Act to go after Trump, all hell would break loose. He would have to go after Clinton, Obama for sure and likely every US President still breathing.
Rod Rosenstein should be read the riot act over this bastard. He has far overstepped his charter and is now out there trying to create process crimes.
Rod Rosenstein should be read the riot act over this bastard. He has far overstepped his charter and is now out there trying to create process crimes.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 6:28 am
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:39 am to antibarner
The Logan hasn't been used since the civil war
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:03 am to antibarner
quote:As soon as the Mueller probe runs its course, Rosenstein should be summarily shown the door.
Rod Rosenstein should be read the riot act over this bastard.
When Mueller was selected as SP, I was unaware he had a history of steadfastly refusing to tolerate any criticism of the FBI. Certainly was not the way he was painted. Given the fact that Comey, McCabe and the FBI are eyeballs deep in this mess, Mueller's hire was a sickening miscarriage. Mueller's bias is something Rosenstein would have been keenly aware of. Little wonder Comey is now tweeting Biblical verses.
The thing reeks to high heaven
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:10 am to NC_Tigah
Ross’ poor reporting aside, how can we call an investigation illegitimate after a foreign policy campaign staffer—Papadopoulos—and a senior advisor—Flynn—have pled guilty to lying to the FBI about unauthorized contacts with the Russian government? That’s two convictions and two additional tangential indictments tied to the campaign and transition—within mere months of the investigation kicking into high gear.
If the contacts were on the ups, why lie? And to protect whom?
If the contacts were on the ups, why lie? And to protect whom?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:14 am to Navytiger74
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unauthorized contacts with the Russian government
What?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:15 am to Navytiger74
quote:If the contacts were on the up and up, why investigate?
If the contacts were on the ups, why lie?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:18 am to Navytiger74
The straw gets smaller and smaller.
Mr. "I didn't expect this to come to a conclusion so soon"
Mr. "I didn't expect this to come to a conclusion so soon"
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:19 am to Turbeauxdog
quote:Flynn wasn’t authorized to contact Kislyak to discuss easing sanctions or UN votes during the transition in December. Papadopolous could not legally establish contact with the Russian government to solicit its aid in winning the election during the campaign.
What?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:19 am to Navytiger74
quote:
Ross’ poor reporting aside, how can we call an investigation illegitimate after a foreign policy campaign staffer—Papadopoulos—and a senior advisor—Flynn—have pled guilty to lying to the FBI about unauthorized contacts with the Russian government? That’s two convictions and two additional tangential indictments tied to the campaign and transition—within mere months of the investigation kicking into high gear.
If the contacts were on the ups, why lie? And to protect whom?
Look at you. Getting up early to get out in front of everything after the embarrassing shitting of the bed yesterday.
I stand by my statement.
You have NEVER got anything right, PedoTiger74.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:21 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Because they apparently weren’t.
If the contacts were on the up and up, why investigate?
Why do you think there’s an investigation?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:23 am to gthog61
quote:I said I didn’t expect this to move so quickly. And as far as investigations of this nature go, it’s moving quite quickly. I openly mocked the idea that it was drawing to a close.
Mr. "I didn't expect this to come to a conclusion so soon"
Quite the contrary, in fact.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:26 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:1. Yesterday was the biggest day in the investigation to date. And there are bigger days ahead. 2. It wasn’t my reporting that jumped the gun. 3. You are such an empty vessel. Go play your video games. I don’t even know why you’re interested in politics. You’re incapable of discussing them.
Look at you. Getting up early to get out in front of everything after the embarrassing shitting of the bed yesterday.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:28 am to Navytiger74
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Flynn wasn’t authorized to contact Kislyak to discuss easing sanctions or UN votes during the transition in December
First. You're talking Logan act, so lulz. Second, there's so evidence he contacted kislyak for that purpose. Third there's no evidence if kislyak brought them up, that Flynn engaged in any real negotiation on the topics so that it would potentially violate Logan act. Fourth, we have evidence that the conversations were legally on the up and up.
So, horse shite on all fronts.
quote:
Papadopolous could not legally establish contact with the Russian government to solicit its aid in winning the election during the campaign
Now what the hell is this?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:28 am to Errerrerrwere
quote:You’re like a little three-legged chihuahua. Noisy and nasty, but too little and handicapped to be much trouble.
Shut up, clown.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:29 am to Navytiger74
quote:
And there are bigger days ahead.
For who/whom? That's the $64,000 question.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:30 am to Navytiger74
quote:
1. Yesterday was the biggest day in the investigation to date.
How so? Be specific.
quote:
And there are bigger days ahead.
Please enlighten us. Your track record is unattainable.
quote:
It wasn’t my reporting that jumped the gun.
But your premature ejaculation issues showed your arse really well.
quote:
You are such an empty vessel. Go play your video games.
I’m sorry I told you to shut up. I didn’t mean that. Keep going now. You are amusing. Like a circus freak. Here; I’ll buy a ticket.
quote:
I don’t even know why you’re interested in politics. You’re incapable of discussing them.
I broke you.
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