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re: A realistic path for revolt
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:53 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:53 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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what makes you think some government change of policy would make them leave?
Because their free government goodies would dry up?
I mean Katrina didn't stop SNAP/EBT/Section 8/etc did it?
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Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:53 am to bamafan1001
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I dont want to live near low IQ ghetto trash or semi-successful low T soyboys with gender neutral children
I am allergic to soy, so I can't consume it. And I don't have kids.
I don't want you living near me anyway.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 11:56 am to Tiger Prawn
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Assuming someone like that actually got elected and started carrying through on those campaign promises...what would stop the federal government from sending in federal law enforcement to remove that governor from office and arrest him?
What federal law enforcement? The FBI? There are more NYPD officers than Federal Agents.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:01 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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The largest catastrophe to his this country in 2005, and yet people STILL didn't leave, what makes you think some government change of policy would make them leave?
Take away their government checks and they will leave.
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For the record, the most common reason from people not evacuating New Orleans is that they didn't have any where to go to. When you're poor, and have nothing, when conditions worsen, the first thing you think is NOT, "Gee, I think I'll just move to Nebraska!" What really happens is that you just make these people more desperate than they already were. Large populations of desperate people is not what anyone wants in their community.
I dont want to live near these people. Take away their checks and they will find a place to go that will give them a check.
Hell throw in money to relocate to another state if you have to. Thats kind of the point of this whole thread. Get rid of the worst of your population, make it attractive for productive people.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:07 pm to bamafan1001
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Take away their government checks and they will leave.
How? Moving costs money, usually lots of it. I don't see a reason why anyone who is on welfare would leave, nor have I seen evidence. I have seen cities and counties direct people toward larger metropolitan areas which have more services, but that isn't the same thing.
If you were on welfare, and were situated in an area which had your extended social network, there is absolutely no incentive to leave. Their entire social capital might be in one specific region. It would make no sense to move.
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Hell throw in money to relocate to another state if you have to. Thats kind of the point of this whole thread. Get rid of the worst of your population, make it attractive for productive people.
Are you talking about forced relocation? You could maybe offer incentives to move, but that isn't an ideal use of state resources. And it can easily be abused.
This post was edited on 12/19/18 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:09 pm to crazy4lsu
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If you were on welfare, and were situated in an area which had your extended social network, there is absolutely no incentive to leave.
There's plenty of incentive when the checks stop.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:11 pm to Centinel
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Because their free government goodies would dry up? I mean Katrina didn't stop SNAP/EBT/Section 8/etc did it?
Holy shite, you can't really be this dumb, can you?
They literally had no electricity or running water, you think they had social services?
You obviously have no idea what it means to be truly down and out in the middle of a catastrophe. The reason they didn't leave had nothing to do with entitlements/benefits/social services, they just DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. Most of them didn't even have the means to go anywhere, even if they had somewhere to go.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:13 pm to Centinel
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There's plenty of incentive when the checks stop.
I would think the incentive of retaining your social network, which is very valuable for poorer people, would outweigh the possible benefits you could get elsewhere. I'm sure that those who are immigrants on benefits would leave, but I don't think people who have been in areas for a long time would leave. The social capital they've accrued would be the way they would survive such situations, in my view and experience.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:13 pm to crazy4lsu
OP's premise seems to ignore the fact that the big blue states subsidize the big red states by giving more than they take from the Federal Govt. Alabama, which the OP cites, is just about the biggest offenders of states that are takers. AL is about the last state that would be able to ween off federal $$ lol.
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:15 pm to Centinel
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There's plenty of incentive when the checks stop.
there is even more incentive when you start getting hungry
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:16 pm to crazy4lsu
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How? Moving costs money, usually lots of it.
Fine get a job that pays your bills and dont move.
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I don't see a reason why anyone who is on welfare would leave, nor have I seen evidence
I don’t even know how to answer this. Im not going to repeat what’s already been said. Just re-read the thread
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:18 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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You obviously have no idea what it means to be truly down and out in the middle of a catastrophe. The reason they didn't leave had nothing to do with entitlements/benefits/social services, they just DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO. Most of them didn't even have the means to go anywhere, even if they had somewhere to go.
Did their benefits stop? Yes or no will suffice.
It's odd, for the roughly two hundred years this country existed before welfare, people found ways to move for better opportunities. Now you're saying people on welfare who had their welfare cut off would be completely incapable of moving to another location that still offered welfare?
I mean ideally I'd like to see the people cut off actually be productive, but that isn't going to happen.
People can be incredibly resourceful when free handouts are involved.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:19 pm to DevinTheDude
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OP's premise seems to ignore the fact that the big blue states subsidize the big red states by giving more than they take from the Federal Govt. Alabama, which the OP cites, is just about the biggest offenders of states that are takers. AL is about the last state that would be able to ween off federal $$ lol.
2018’s Most & Least Federally Dependent States
Don’t know how many times weve seen this bogus argument on this board. I agree that Alabama takes too many federal dollars. It is not the fault of the productive, tax paying citizens of this state. Those people see the least amount of federal funding
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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Moving costs money, usually lots of it
Cost depends on how much stuff you actually own and want to keep.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:20 pm to Centinel
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People can be incredibly resourceful when free handouts are involved.
You are right, and maybe I'm discounting that. It would be orders of magnitudes easier to just get a job rather than move somewhere else though. Working in really poor, rural communities (almost all in Alabama) has made me pessimistic about their prospects, with welfare or without it.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:21 pm to bamafan1001
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Take away their government checks and they will leave.
Prove it.
I have proof that you can raise flood water to 12 feet, remove electricity and water and they won't leave.
Sounds like you're either just spouting out bullshite wishful thinking, or you have some kind of ideal economic theory with no basis in reality.
Let me put it as simply as I can: Even under the most stressful situation, these people didn't leave BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO.
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I dont want to live near these people.
I don't want to live near you people.
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Get rid of the worst of your population
Ah yes, the Ultimate Solution.
You people are downright disgusting about how you talk about your fellow Americans.
Here's an idea, why don't YOU get the frick out? It'd be a lot easier and cheaper.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:23 pm to keks tadpole
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Cost depends on how much stuff you actually own and want to keep.
Deposits and utility charges are usually a few hundred, if not a thousand+.
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Bro, your argument is intellectually dishonest and you know it. Its pure diversion. What your motivation is, I have no idea. A hurricane and stopping government checks is not the same thing. These people returned because they knew the checks would still be coming in. If they knew they wouldn’t be, they wouldn’t have returned
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:24 pm to bamafan1001
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Don’t know how many times weve seen this bogus argument on this board
Agreed. Liberals from blue-states pass laws providing government programs, then turn around and say "look how much you are taking".
Posted on 12/19/18 at 12:26 pm to brian_wilson
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Deposits and utility charges are usually a few hundred, if not a thousand+
For you they are, unless you live in a Section 8.
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