re: $25 Billion Wall?

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Property owners bitch all the time about construction projects.


You mean people don't want the government to take their own private property? Blasphemy!

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What are you even arguing? No one is saying the wall wouldn't have to cross private property, no one is saying property owners want it on their property. Eminent domain is an established method for public infrastructure projects. It's in the damn constitution. Otherwise there'd be literally no major public projects or pipelines.

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It's happened for years longer than I have been here. It's called infrastructure.

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Well then by all means let's not consider the concern over property rights regarding the government taking property, to build some wall none of us will use, since they've done it before.

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In this case it's called defending your country.

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Because it's going to make us so much safer, since the wall will stop boats, planes, Northern border crossings, Visa expiration, and all the other reasons and methods people are here illegally. Amazing

You're a stupid fricker if you think it's going to be brick. Who the frick cares about aesthetics for a border wall?!! It's either going to be pre cast or tilt up concrete and possibly some parts sheet piling. As long as the bidding is fair I could see it going for less than 10 mill a mile. Now for the parts on top of mountains that shite needs to be in a different contract.

I mean there is tripling ice and 5000 new border agents

The wall isn't the only thing

No more catch/release either

Do you not think this action should not start, or just throw your hands up and welcome anyone? Its about safety, it's about your tax dollars, it's about the future of our children. If you have a better idea of stopping illegal immigration, I would like to hear it. Or do you not care? I don't know you, nor you know me, but the way we was headed under the last administration was heading us to a third world country.

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Yes, but it's something that should be used sparingly and when it's the only reasonable option.

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I agree 100%. The Kelo v New London case expanded eminent domain and was an awful decision.

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Not to mention, this is not an infrastructure project that we can use, like an interstate; it may not even adequately address the problem anyways.

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For eminent domain, it has to be a project with a public benefit. The wall will meet that standard. Yes, traditionally we think of things like highways and train tracks but it can certainly be used for projects such as flood control. A levee stops water, a wall stops (maybe) illegal crossings.

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may not even adequately address the problem anyways.

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It probably wouldn't. It's probably not practical for the cost. But I really don't know enough about it to make an informed opinion. I have an open mind on the issue.
It's the emotional opposition that drives me nuts (not from you). Don't scream about "racism" and "how dare we do such a thing?!" Etc.

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I challenge any person who is for the Wall to do this: approach a contractor and ask if they would build 30 foot tall 10 foot wide mile long wall for less than 20 million dollars. I guarantee you'll get a "frick no" from all of them.

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Where are you getting the 10ft wide?

Keystone pipeline is over $5B for a similar distance and its just a pipe!

Great thing we'll hire 5000 new border agents/triple Ice and no catch/release then

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As a GC, I could build it for around $5MIL/mile using block and concrete.

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Of course someone named Jamal would say that. I need an actual contractor to verify this.

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5% tariff would blow up NAFTA. The resulting uncertainty combined with the first-order economic effects would certainly trigger a recession that would wipe out the imagined gains.

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Gosh, what ever did we do before NAFTA? If you actually grow balls and do this shite, then Mexico will concede and pay for the wall in exchange for keeping NAFTA in tact.