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re: Noob intro & Outboard Question

Posted on 8/21/12 at 11:58 pm to
Posted by subMOA
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Member since Jan 2010
1956 posts
Posted on 8/21/12 at 11:58 pm to
What happened to the original motor?

I promise you it ran once, and probably a good bit.

IMO, if you still have it, bring it to Rob Hebert's (I think that's his name- on 90) in Des Allemands and see if he can get it going for you.

Better yet, you're 24....probably have plenty of energy, not a lot of $, but a ton of enthusiasim. Get a Clymer manual, a bunch of carb cleaner, a gasket kit, a torch tip cleaner set from a welding store and get to cleaning. That motor will run.
Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 12:25 am to
Don't forget seafoam
Posted by subMOA
Komatipoort
Member since Jan 2010
1956 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 1:23 am to
quote:

Don't forget seafoam


I was hoping the OP would chime in as to the availability of the original engine, but since I can't sleep tonight, might as well suck it up and make him a list.

Here goes....
1. Don't be scared. It's a little two stroke motor, so that means it literally has 3 moving parts....a crank, and 2 piston/connecting rod assemblies.

2. Since you're no longer scared of it. Let's do a little recon.
- Pull the spark plugs. Liberally spray fogging oil from AutoZone, O'Reily, etc. into the holes. Since we don't know when it ran last, we need some lube in the bore to not upset the whole works when it runs. Let it sit a few hours like this.
- Hold one of the removed plugs touching the block and look for spark while pulling on the rope. Does it still fire? Sure it does. Now we know it will run.

3. Now, to get some goodies.
- 396701 is the kit I think you need- about $17 for each carb. Has all the gaskets, new float, etc.
- 2 New spark plugs
- Clean gas tank and a NEW fuel hose and bulb
- Clymer manual to show you where to put all the little parts back in the carb once you drop them on the floor.
- Torch tip cleaner from a welding store.

4. Remove the carbs, take some pictures so you can see how the throttle linkages were hooked up for reassembly later

5. Dissassemble carbs. That means all the way apart, take the jets out. Use the book as your guide.
- Soak parts liberally (overnight) in a solution of carb cleaner or parts wash fluid.
- Use your handy dandy tip cleaners to get all the crud out of the little passages in the carbs. Be gentle....they aren't drill bits and aren't supposed to be used as such.
- Spray more carb cleaner in the passages, blow out with compressed air.
- Make sure they are operating room clean- no more varnish at the bottom of the bowls, there is no excuse for leaving any crap in the carb from when Carter was president.
-Now, put it all back together. Use the book. Take pictures as you disassemble if you are unsure.

6. Install new plugs- gap as specified in the manual. CLEAN the stinking holes with a battery terminal wire brush. I have heard of cases where the plug wouldn't fire b/c there was enough garbage built up in the bore to prevent them from grounding.

7. Fresh gas, new fuel line, pump the bulb a few times, and crank. Remember to get some oil also, ok? No sense in burning her up the first time out.

Voila, you are now a 1970s two stroke outboard mechanic and can walk around your hood knowing you are probably 1 of 2 people in the immediate vicinity who actually knows how a carb. works.

Back to step two...if you can't see fire initially, you may need new plugs right off the bat, so you'll need to get some b/f proceeding. If you still can't see spark, you may need a little tune up kit. Points and condensers (assuming 76 and earlier) are $16, and each coil is like $30.

GOOD LUCK.....Rare is the motor that just "doesn't run"
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 1:59 am
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 6:44 am to
Posted by Boats n Hose
NOLA
Member since Apr 2011
37248 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 6:54 am to
Well done
Posted by NicoBlues
I eat frogs
Member since Dec 2009
15048 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:09 am to
Btw noob, you take your muddy boots off before you come in here. And we don't take kindly to crying, IMing, hardlegging, whining, name calling, uncollared dogs, freestyling, dub step, pooponsaban,greenjeans (except daylover), and women at the club unless they know their way around a pole. Don't potlick our honeyholes, no cornholing, and if you want to post pics of your significant other, it not only welcomed, its encouraged.


Congratulations on finding the best url on the interwebs at the best time of the year. Don't be a dick or Flair Chops will ban you.
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 7:11 am
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:19 am to
quote:

no cornholing,
Alx and Mung are on probation..
Posted by greasemonkey
Macclenny Fl aka south JAWJA
Member since Aug 2012
2805 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:22 am to
nico. that's dead on. needs to be stickied at the top of the OB.

submoa. thanks you just kept me from having too type all that out.
Posted by LouisianaLivin
Norco
Member since Jun 2012
13 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:27 am to
Yeah, the trailer does need some work. But I won't be getting to that until after I have a running motor on the back of it.
Posted by greasemonkey
Macclenny Fl aka south JAWJA
Member since Aug 2012
2805 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:36 am to
Another thing on getting the old motor runnin..
Before spending any money on it I would go rent a compression gauge from a parts store and check the compression..most will return the deposit once you bring the tool back..if it has good compression and spark at the plugs then all you should have to do is clean carbs and replace water pump impeller and be ridin in no time..
If you decide to give it a try Im sure there are more than a few of us that can and will walk you through it..

Its not that hard and if you are going to own a boat with carbs it will be a great learning experience..
Posted by LouisianaLivin
Norco
Member since Jun 2012
13 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:41 am to
Wow, nice post sumMOA. Well once I was ready to put some money into the boat and try to get her going I had brought it to someone to see if I can get the Evinrude running. Person said it wasn't worth putting money into. I still would like to find a newer used motor thats reliable, but after this post I may take it apart and see if I can get it going. Can't screw it up any worse than it already is, and at worse I'll learn a little something.
Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18586 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:43 am to
Welcome
I'd take the 25 Evinrude & see if you can get it running and how much it would cost. If you get it running you can figure out good it pushes the boat & go from there


And for the tires
Posted by LouisianaLivin
Norco
Member since Jun 2012
13 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:44 am to
Thanks Nico. I kinda like this place so I think I'll stick around a bit.
Posted by greasemonkey
Macclenny Fl aka south JAWJA
Member since Aug 2012
2805 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 7:46 am to
quote:

wasn't worth putting money into.


Ive probly bought 20 motors like this for under $100
put another $100 in them and sell for $500-$600..

I am a mechanic but anyone with a little common sense and patience can rebuild an outboard carb..
they are very simple..

Oh yea.... welcome to the OB.. now DIAF GFY
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 7:48 am
Posted by Ole Geauxt
KnowLa.
Member since Dec 2007
50880 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:06 am to
quote:

And for the tires
this would lead to a comment about your pond from some smart arse posters,,, but as you know,, i'm above that...
Posted by nhassl1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
1934 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:07 am to
quote:

was hoping the OP would chime in as to the availability of the original engine, but since I can't sleep tonight, might as well suck it up and make him a list. Here goes.... 1. Don't be scared.



thread bookmarked for this info! i've always been to scared/lazy to work on my motors. this may just give me the confidence to do it.
Posted by Nascar Fan
Columbia La.
Member since Jul 2011
18586 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:09 am to
Posted by laangler21
On the lake.
Member since May 2012
3034 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:15 am to
Always go as big as you can afford, that being said, I would think a 25hp would work great on it.

Welcome to the OB.

Edit: Wear saftey glasses when working with that carb cleaner, shite can make you go blind if you get it in your eyes.
This post was edited on 8/22/12 at 8:22 am
Posted by deaconjones35
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2009
9876 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:18 am to
quote:

LouisianaLivin


Welcome. This is what I like about the OB.....when a noob humbly enters the OB, just about everyone is on good behavior and very welcoming.
Past and future noobs should take notice....(RPT comes to mind)
Posted by Chris4x4gill2
North Alabama
Member since Nov 2008
3115 posts
Posted on 8/22/12 at 8:22 am to
a 15 is going to be too small. a 25 is a good fit.

And like posted above, if you have the motor, get it running. Its going to be your best / cheapest option. The how to posted above is excellent. There really isnt much to these old 2 strokes.
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