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re: Non-fly fishing, best bait and tackle for trout
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:25 am to Che Boludo
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:25 am to Che Boludo
Regardless of what you use, if you have treble hooks on them, cut them off. You'll lose a few more fish, but what you'll gain is not snagging on every rock every other cast...
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Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:38 am to Che Boludo
One Berkley power egg run up to the eye of a small trout hook, and a half inch piece of worm tipped on the hook shaft, so it looks like a worm body with a pink or chartreuse round head.
As others said, carolina rig it with enough weight to get it to the bottom, but not so much that it sits in one place. Throw it up current and let it slowly drift down past you always keeping the line somewhat tight to feel a bite. Adjust weight as current dictates.
As others said, carolina rig it with enough weight to get it to the bottom, but not so much that it sits in one place. Throw it up current and let it slowly drift down past you always keeping the line somewhat tight to feel a bite. Adjust weight as current dictates.
This post was edited on 5/28/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 5/28/24 at 9:51 am to Che Boludo
Posted on 5/28/24 at 10:24 am to Che Boludo
Joes flies 1/4 ounce in line spinner
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:21 pm to Che Boludo
Light spinning rod, 4 - 6 pound test and a black and gold panther martin. Works better than the long rod 9 out of 10 times and works from Poland to Washington State at lease, from personal experience. Folks will wrinkle their nose at you on famous trout water but if its legal a panther martin will, 90 % of the time, out catch anything.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:26 pm to dstone12
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In the NC mountains, you can toss a large night crawler alive with a Carolina rig and let the current carry it down or leave it.
However I have a great story from WV where I was below tue Bluestone dam and saw five or six women wading with buckets.
They were letting helgramites grab their pinky finger and turned pull it out of the hold and sell them for a dollar apiece.
The black helgramite is your answer. But if you get real crazy, try to find the black and yellow helgramite.
Use them for soft plastic too.
I don't think its legal anymore and it may not have been back in the day but a sucker about 6 inches long flat lined is crack to big browns. When I was a kid we did in in the Tuckageskee in NC and back home on the Chattahoochee at night. Helgramites are killer but man they hurt....
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:29 pm to UtahCajun
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First, know your water. Most trout rivers do not allow live bait. Some do not allow any kind of fishing except for fly fishing.
Artificials only does not mean fly fishing only...spinnerbaits and plastic grubs and even small crankbaits are allowed in most areas unless it is specifically fly fishing only.
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:29 pm to leblanc272
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trout magnet
Itll get 'em....
Posted on 5/28/24 at 2:31 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Regardless of what you use, if you have treble hooks on them, cut them off. You'll lose a few more fish, but what you'll gain is not snagging on every rock every other cast...
Good tip. I usually mash the barb down also, especially with stockers, because it is more likely the fish will survive release with one hook and no barb.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 10:12 am to AwgustaDawg
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Artificials only does not mean fly fishing only...spinnerbaits and plastic grubs and even small crankbaits are allowed in most areas unless it is specifically fly fishing only
I did not know his location. Out here, in the west, there are many "fly fishing" only stretches of river. Usually on Blue Ribbon, freestone streams and very rarely on stretches of tail water.
But yeah, artificial lures only is all you will see anywhere on moving water.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 11:11 am to UtahCajun
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I did not know his location. Out here, in the west, there are many "fly fishing" only stretches of river. Usually on Blue Ribbon, freestone streams and very rarely on stretches of tail water.
But yeah, artificial lures only is all you will see anywhere on moving water.
In my experience most folks think almost all western rivers are fly only. Most of the guides, especially the drift boat guys, will say they are if they are or not and most people who hire them do not want to do anything but fly fish anyway so they never question it. It has always been amazing to me some of the pristine water that allow bait fishing though...and how rarely you see anyone doing it, for the most part. Its also amazing to me that in many rivers rainbows are pretty much free for the taking because of their impact on cutthroats and how few people keep them. In Idaho the state encourages keeping rainbows but folks practice catch and release about 90% of the time in my experience. Those 'bows eat awful good!
People make some of those rivers seem mythical when in fact, to the local population, they are merely the river they have fished their whole lives...most of them do indeed fly fish but many also bait fish and spinner fish...because it is the only fishing there is for the most part. Most of the guides and almost all of the sports will act like you farted in church if they catch you with a box of night crawlers but they flat out catch fish and for me that is the point....I ain't above slinging a worm for a 4 pound bow headed to the grill at the end of the day! I have a friend with a drift boat in Swan Valley and his nephew is a guide out of one of the fancier lodges in the area. I have slung worms out of both of their boats on the Snake River while others fishing the area reacted like I had mooned their mama...its actually pretty damn fun and it produces fish at times.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:10 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Regardless of what you use, if you have treble hooks on them, cut them off. You'll lose a few more fish, but what you'll gain is not snagging on every rock every other cast...
I never had a problem with that, in trout water or even muddy piedmont rivers. I would only cut them off to a single hook if that's what the regulation was. I do agree with pinching down the barbs though. Tough to get a throwback into the water alive with treble hooks.
Something else for OP to note-
If there are special regulations where you are fishing, anything in your tacklebox can be a violation, even if what you have on the end of your line is perfectly legal.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:19 pm to deeprig9
That's a good point. I need to take out some stuff. 
Posted on 5/29/24 at 12:40 pm to deeprig9
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If there are special regulations where you are fishing, anything in your tacklebox can be a violation, even if what you have on the end of your line is perfectly legal.
I have a friend who was arrested, not just ticketed (got lippy with the man) for fishing a stretch of the Chattahoochee that was artificial only because he had a tube of crickets with him (around his neck).
A guy I worked with was fined $1500 for catching a sturgeon out of season while walleye fishing on the Columbia River. Washington State is terrible about this....god forbid you should think about a salmon if they ain't in season....you will never see the light of day.
Technique and intent can also get you a ticket or worse. Its really bad out west....you best know what youre about or you will get a helluva fine...and do not try to try the case streamside, bad as the temptation is and regardless of whether you are right or wrong.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:08 pm to AwgustaDawg
I'm not a lippy person. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If I'm wrong due to ignorance, I'm wrong.
But, being in the Army and moving around every couple of years, it is crazy how different state regulations can be. And, some states, I'm convinced, make the damn regulations so complicated just to hem you up.
But, a good attitude and admitting fault goes a long way in most cases. Especially if your kids are with you.
The state does a good job in PA of stocking the trout, so I get the regulations. Although, a map of the special regulations would be much better to understand for many than the 20 pages of written instructions on lengths of special regulation creeks and rivers.
But, being in the Army and moving around every couple of years, it is crazy how different state regulations can be. And, some states, I'm convinced, make the damn regulations so complicated just to hem you up.
But, a good attitude and admitting fault goes a long way in most cases. Especially if your kids are with you.
The state does a good job in PA of stocking the trout, so I get the regulations. Although, a map of the special regulations would be much better to understand for many than the 20 pages of written instructions on lengths of special regulation creeks and rivers.
This post was edited on 5/29/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:20 pm to mdomingue
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, works really well for a kid with a spinning reel or even a spin cast reel(think Zebco).
Spincast (zebco style) is not a good choice for inline spinners if casting upstream in moving water because the gear ratios are so low that you'd give yourself carpel tunnel syndrome trying to retrieve it fast enough to spin the spoon on the spinner. Flat water, or casting cross stream or downstream, just fine. But the preferred method for trout in creeks and rivers is to cast upstream from your position.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:29 pm to AwgustaDawg
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specifically fly fishing only.
Another note about this term. I've never seen the language "fly fishing only" but it's usual worded as "single hook artificial". Although it is intended to mean fly fishing only, you could legally use a spinning reel with any single hook artificial lure. However, you will get many dirty looks, calls will be made to the warden, the warden will find you, search your tackle box, lunch box, pockets, rectum, and walk you back to your vehicle to search that too. No, they don't need warrants. If you go to a "single hook artificial" section with a spinning reel, be prepared to be treated like a murder suspect.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 1:52 pm to jorconalx
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Joes flies 1/4 ounce in line spinner
My neighbor two doors down has a trophy room full of bass and big trout. He swears by these. He gave me one of his favorites, the one he says is best.
Joes Flies- Super Striker "Black Gnat" 1/4 oz. This comes with a single hook and a treble hook, unlike most inline spinners. So you could clip off the treble hook with wire cutters if you wanted to use it in "single hook artificial" sections.
I haven't tried it out, but I will the next time I get up to NGA. I can't argue with the man's results hanging on his wall.
Secondly, awgustadawg and I have a mutual internet "friend" by the name of NCHillbilly who has spent his life hunting and fishing Maggie Valley that swears by the Blue Fox "Vibrax" 1/8 oz all gold, for rainbows. He doesn't use anything else when meat fishing, though he is also an accomplished fly fisherman. When he has an hour or two to catch a limit of rainbows for the kitchen, that spinner is his go-to. I bought some of these on his advice, also have not used them yet. But I can't argue with his trophy room either.
Aside from those two recommendations from people who have forgotten more about trout fishing than I've ever known, I can tell you the inline spinner that I personally have had the best success with is the Panther Martin "Brown Trout Dressed" in 1/16 oz. From my own research, this color combo resembles the German Alpine Newt in Europe. And this is where all the brown trout in the US came from. It's in their DNA to eat this pattern.
Another honorable mention is the Panther Martin "Gold Regular" which has a gold blade with a black body with yellow dots. They also make a single-hook barbless version of this you can use in the special regulation sections.
Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:03 pm to Che Boludo
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The state does a good job in PA of stocking the trout, so I get the regulations. Although, a map of the special regulations would be much better to understand for many than the 20 pages of written instructions on lengths of special regulation creeks and rivers.
Georgia does a good job with trout regs but they are apt to differentiate between fly only, artificial only and any legal means areas by referring to coordinates instead of obvious physical points, like a bridge for instance. They do that also but not always. Either way they do it is is the anglers responsibility to know where they are but they could sure make it easier for those intent on being compliant but lacking in navigation skills to remain compliant.
One of the main reasons I left the PNW was fish and game regulations. Pretty much true of most of the US west of Texas but it almost requires an attorney being in the boat or blind to comply. It is too much to keep up with. Europe is even worse but at least they admit it is to done to encourage people to refrain from hunting and fishing....I suspect its about revenue in many states. Managing fish and game is a much needed necessity but it could certainly be more standardized and easy to understand.....
Posted on 5/29/24 at 3:05 pm to deeprig9
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