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re: I've about had enough with these Constitutional Ammendment jerkoffs
Posted on 7/31/13 at 7:57 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 7/31/13 at 7:57 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Some of you will defend stupidity to no end.
you're right...the 2nd amendment is stupid...
you'll never "get it" because you know you would never be harassed for doing so because of your position...and maybe that is part of your reason for career choices...so you would never be denied that right...so you can be as smug as you want knowing you won't be put in our position, but don't expect everyone to accept your position, because you have a built in bias due to your job endowed privileges...
I think we've already disagreed in an exact same thread type over the exact same issue...and I will make the same statement I made in that thread...I don't condone what the idiots videoing these 2A trolling encounters are doing...Attention whores like this annoy me too... but it all goes back to 2A rights and I just don't agree with anyone who thinks our rights should be limited...especially when a LEO feels that way, when they basically have a guarantee to carry...it's hypocritical if you ask me...
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Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:01 pm to weagle99
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Ha, no doubt. Not all change regarding firearms has been negative. The easing of concealed carry options across the nation has been a good thing. Heller was a great change and there have been many other victories as well. The sunset of AWB with no real desire to re-implement was another great thing.
Nothing is static.
It's never been acceptable socially to walk down the street of a big city with a gun slung across your shoulder, at least not in the past 50 years or so. If that's something someone wants to do, there are small towns in Idaho where people wouldn't bat an eye.
Most of the country has become too populated and too urban to open carry without alarming someone. I just feel it's counterproductive and will lead to more restrictions if these people go around alarming the public.
Half the population has been socialized to be afraid of firearms.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:14 pm to weagle99
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See above. The negative attitudes on guns don't go back thousands of years.
I was referring to people with weapons being a threat. That definitely goes back thousands of years.
Psychologically, your mind looks for things out of the norm. A random guy with a high powered rifle strapped across his back is not the norm, which is why people will continue to call the police when they see one.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:17 pm to Pepperidge
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..Attention whores like this annoy me too...
And I don't need these attention whores speaking for me, just like being a lover of the outdoors, I don't need Greenpeace speaking up for me on behalf of conservation efforts.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:22 pm to brass2mouth
Good post.
The long and short of it is risk management.
If I see an armed civilian on the street, I can make one of two assumptions: He is perfectly harmless, just exercising his rights, or he's a crazed, maniac killer.
The chances are that he's harmless, but while the liklihood of his being crazy are slim, the consequences of him being crazy are dire.
So if I'm wrong in my assumption that he's crazy, no big deal. If I'm wrong about my assumption that he's harmless - BIG deal.
The long and short of it is risk management.
If I see an armed civilian on the street, I can make one of two assumptions: He is perfectly harmless, just exercising his rights, or he's a crazed, maniac killer.
The chances are that he's harmless, but while the liklihood of his being crazy are slim, the consequences of him being crazy are dire.
So if I'm wrong in my assumption that he's crazy, no big deal. If I'm wrong about my assumption that he's harmless - BIG deal.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:24 pm to Pepperidge
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nothing like only having the police being able to open carry without it being criticized...If you want that, then move to a communist bloc country...
You people that want every citizen to be walking around armed to the teeth are just as bad as the ones that want them all to be taken away.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:24 pm to brass2mouth
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I was referring to people with weapons being a threat. That definitely goes back thousands of years.
Psychologically, your mind looks for things out of the norm. A random guy with a high powered rifle strapped across his back is not the norm, which is why people will continue to call the police when they see one.
Right, and frightening people on the street will not strengthen second amendment rights, it will only create backlash.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right, and frightening people on the street will not strengthen second amendment rights, it will only create backlash.
I always knew you were a smart man Roger.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most of the country has become too populated and too urban to open carry without alarming someone. I just feel it's counterproductive and will lead to more restrictions if these people go around alarming the public.
Guys like this are pushing the envelope, no doubt.
But these situations generate conversations. If nothing else, maybe it causes people to think deeply about the issue for a moment, rather than immediately dismissing the topic. I like it when people start asking 'Why' and trying to understand things. Some people (like in this thread) will probably say something like 'gun nut douche.' But some people will maybe try to understand the legality of what he is doing and maybe start questioning what is 'socially acceptable.'
An avalanche can start with a few pebbles.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don't recall anyone saying "the statement I'm making by open carrying is represents RogerTheShrubber's views"
As well as the GreenPeace fools...
I'm sure there are really stupid people out there that will associate this or green peace actions with people other than the ones making the noise...but most people that are conservative or smart will not associate you with greenpeace or the 2A statement makers...
the others(stupid and Liberals)will see it for what they want to regardless because
1.they are are stupid.
2.their party agenda requires them to.
As well as the GreenPeace fools...
I'm sure there are really stupid people out there that will associate this or green peace actions with people other than the ones making the noise...but most people that are conservative or smart will not associate you with greenpeace or the 2A statement makers...
the others(stupid and Liberals)will see it for what they want to regardless because
1.they are are stupid.
2.their party agenda requires them to.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:42 pm to weagle99
I think at this point, people, other than the select gun nuts and tin foil hat wearers see this for what it is...
Attention whoring, nothing more, nothing less.
Most of the people that do these videos are douche bags, just their douche level is overridden by that of the cops. In this case however, the cops were straight up with the guy and IMO kicked his arse verbally, so the guy runs off and pouts afterwards to try and make the cops look bad.
Attention whoring, nothing more, nothing less.
Most of the people that do these videos are douche bags, just their douche level is overridden by that of the cops. In this case however, the cops were straight up with the guy and IMO kicked his arse verbally, so the guy runs off and pouts afterwards to try and make the cops look bad.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:44 pm to Pepperidge
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the others(stupid and Liberals)will see it for what they want to regardless because
1.they are are stupid.
2.their party agenda requires them to.
More often than not, these people get politically active. The drama queens aren't doing you, or I ...any favors.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:45 pm to weagle99
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But these situations generate conversations
Unfortunately, yes.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:46 pm to brass2mouth
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gun nuts
Great term to use to endear yourself to the OB. You should consider throwing 'redneck' in there also.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:50 pm to weagle99
There's a difference between a being a rational gun owner/rights supporter and being a "gun nut."
Posted on 7/31/13 at 8:57 pm to brass2mouth
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There's a difference between a being a rational gun owner/rights supporter and being a "gun nut."
'Gun nut' is the language of the antigun crowd and is often used in an insulting way towards anyone who isn't on board with 'reasonable restrictions' or owns more than 1-2 guns. If you are a rights supporter you do yourself and your argument a disservice by using the term.
Of course, this being a Political Talk thread on the OB, no one is going to change anyone's mind. Good shooting to all of you.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:00 pm to weagle99
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'Gun nut' is the language of the antigun crowd
Right. Unfortunately they will associate all of us with the drama queens parading around for attention. This is how the term "gun nut" gets propagated.
If you want conversation it needs to be positive conversation. These clowns will only bring negative attention to us, the peaceful gun owner.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 9:45 pm to Pepperidge
quote:I won't have this position forever. My rights as a US citizen are separate from doing my job.
you'll never "get it" because you know you would never be harassed for doing so because of your position..
You keep making reference to my employment but I don't recall saying anything from a Leo perspective. Attention whores doing shite like in the video isn't good for anybody. There are much better ways to protect the 2A than that. We can agree to disagree and you can continue to think I'm "smug" and only have my position for a power trip. I've been called and accused of much worse. Last word I h e on this subject is that every Leo isn't against open carrying, 2A or just in this position for the power trip. I'd give this "power" up in a heartbeat if I could find another stable job that pays enough for me to take care of my family. Until then I will continue to do my job with honor and integrity
This post was edited on 7/31/13 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 7/31/13 at 10:55 pm to Pepperidge
I would bet the combined annual salary of the OT that if you tube existed in 1773, the Boston Tea Party would have been uploaded in minutes. How many of you would be calling those patriots "attention whore douche bags"? How is it that extreme patriots 250 years ago are now known as "revolutionaries" but extreme patriots today are known as douch bag trouble makers? Complacency is like cancer to freedom.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 11:04 pm to SpeckledTiger
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I would bet the combined annual salary of the OT that if you tube existed in 1773, the Boston Tea Party would have been uploaded in minutes. How many of you would be calling those patriots "attention whore douche bags"? How is it that extreme patriots 250 years ago are now known as "revolutionaries" but extreme patriots today are known as douch bag trouble makers? Complacency is like cancer to freedom.
If we're trying to overthrow an occupying force, I'm all for attention whoring if it gets results.
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