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re: Fascinating Duck Study on Pressure
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:10 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:10 am to AwgustaDawg
I finally caught on to what you were saying. I’m not sure if anything like that is in the South, like you said.
I didn’t know that was a thing
I didn’t know that was a thing
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Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:04 pm to Midtiger farm
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If you think this then thank god you don't hunt LA west zone - talk about stupid dates
Actually, I hunt a lot in the west zone and the dates are pretty good right now. If you think the majority of birds don't get there until Jan you are sadly mistaken. if you are one of those that says well look at all the ducks we see in feb well thats because they arent getting shot at
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:07 pm to Outdoorreb
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Ms season dates are stupid.
Dumb comment
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The draw system is stupid and for lazy people.
Guess if I ever have to hunt public, you would only be at the ones that don’t draw?
I guess you don't realize the amount of ducks you miss out on because of the stupid dates Ms has. Draw is for people that are too damn lazy to put in work or have little to 0 skill when it comes to duck hunting. they just want to show up and shoot stuff, take some pictures for instagram and ask if its a hybrid on facebook.
Ms season dates are stupid.
Dumb comment
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The draw system is stupid and for lazy people.
Guess if I ever have to hunt public, you would only be at the ones that don’t draw?
I guess you don't realize the amount of ducks you miss out on because of the stupid dates Ms has. Draw is for people that are too damn lazy to put in work or have little to 0 skill when it comes to duck hunting. they just want to show up and shoot stuff, take some pictures for instagram and ask if its a hybrid on facebook.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:12 pm to Park duck
if states were serious about duck numbers and pressure, 45/4 would be in serious consideration right now. as far as pressure goes make hunting nation wide tuesday, thursday, saturday and sunday end it at 2. ban battery operated decoys
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:47 pm to Park duck
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west zone and the dates are pretty good right now.
yea 2 splits with one beginning on a Monday are so great
East zone Louisiana are what the dates should be except for the marsh
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:56 pm to Park duck
quote:For our area and one just up the road from us, it may as well have been 0/0 for big ducks as we have killed nothing but teal and spoons.
if states were serious about duck numbers and pressure, 45/4 would be in serious consideration right now
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:58 pm to AlxTgr
quote:They ain’t coming, baw.
big ducks
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:13 pm to White Bear
Meh, let the geese tear into our rice and we will get pins, grays and widgeon. I have zero expectation for mallards.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:27 pm to AlxTgr
quote:cool but what’s the geese have to do with it?
Meh, let the geese tear into our rice and we will get pins, grays and widgeon. I have zero expectation for mallards.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:59 pm to Park duck
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guess you don't realize the amount of ducks you miss out on because of the stupid dates Ms has
Do tell. Don't keep the state’s biggest issue regarding ducks to yourself
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Draw is for people that are too damn lazy to put in work or have little to 0 skill when it comes to duck hunting. they just want to show up and shoot stuff, take some pictures for instagram and ask if its a hybrid on facebook
Wouldn’t know, as I have never hunted a guck on public land. I do know that some good duck hunting takes places on some of those properties when other public and some private lands don’t have good luck. This year specifically. I have 2 wells going right now pumping because we haven’t had the rain we normally get, much less an “El Ninõ year”. Pretty bad when I can’t even pump out of the Yazoo River Basin.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 5:59 am to Park duck
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Ms season dates are stupid.
Dumb comment
quote:
The draw system is stupid and for lazy people.
Guess if I ever have to hunt public, you would only be at the ones that don’t draw?
I guess you don't realize the amount of ducks you miss out on because of the stupid dates Ms has. Draw is for people that are too damn lazy to put in work or have little to 0 skill when it comes to duck hunting. they just want to show up and shoot stuff, take some pictures for instagram and ask if its a hybrid on facebook.
I think the draw system is the gateway for most serious duck hunters...most of us who did not have access to private land cut our teeth on some sort of public land that usually involved a draw or a standby system. It is vital to the resource. The tendency in management is to make it the norm for most if not all public land hunters. I agree, there is better quality hunting to be had on public land which is not as regulated. The numbers may not be there but the experience is, for seasoned hunters, more satisfying because it requires the entire scope of duck hunting, not just showing up, tossing some dekes and waiting to more or less pass shoot. The problem is that we are losing more and more of those un-managed areas every year, most to development which is going to happen but also to management practices that make suitable habitat off limits to hunters because the managers do not have the resources to police them.
I much prefer shooting a couple of decoying ring necks on my own on a mud flat on a COE lake to shooting 4 mallards on a flooded corn field that has a draw system because about 90% of the attraction of duck hunting to me is watching the sunrise over a body of water with only my dog or maybe a couple of people I care about within a half a mile. Both have their place. The former are going to get more and more restrictive and more and more rare...but the latter is being reduced simply for the sake of convenience. Simply allowing people access to waterways would make a helluva difference...but even that is being eliminated in some areas. Asking why suitable habitat is closed is not asking that draw systems and heavily managed sites be reduced or opened up to all comers all the time...it is merely asking that the public be allowed to use their property....all of the public, not just bird watchers and joggers.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:05 am to Park duck
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Ms season dates are stupid.
Season dates in the south are and always have been an issue. The problem is that by the last couple of weeks of the season birds are beginning to pair off for breeding. When one is killed that process is set back considerably. Yes we have more birds in the south after the season but shooting those birds may have a severe and negative impact on the breeding population.
There is a similar issue on the northern end of the migration where many birds of the year fall to hunters...if you have ever been to or dreamed of Canada this is the main draw...young, stupid birds. Limits in those areas should be severely reduced, roost shooting should be reduced and days should be reduced and shells should be reduced. On the southern end the season should be extended but limits SEVERLY reduced...say 2 birds a day or something. In the middle of the season on both ends keep the larger bad limits...but at the beginning and end of the season some sensible changes could make a helluva positive impact.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:10 am to Park duck
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if states were serious about duck numbers and pressure, 45/4 would be in serious consideration right now. as far as pressure goes make hunting nation wide tuesday, thursday, saturday and sunday end it at 2. ban battery operated decoys
45/4 spread out over about 120 days and sensible managemnet of those days would make a big difference. Also limiting shells in possession. If you can't kill 4 ducks with 10 shels you ain't got no business hunting ducks to begin with. Most shell limitations are 25 which is LAUGHABLE....it makes taking crazy long shots a reality for far to many and leavse far too many cripples. And, the BEAUTIFUL thing about shell limits is they can be enforced on private land....they won't be but they could be. If you are decoying birds killing 4 birds with 10 shots is probably about as easy as walking into Kroger and buying 4 chickens. The only reason anyone needs 25 shells is so they fricking sky bust and shoot at birds working other people's decoys. Shell limits are nearly impossible to enforce but most people will more or less comply because it is the right thing to do.
Posted on 12/13/23 at 6:47 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:Please continue. Thank you.
AwgustaDawg
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:09 am to White Bear
quote:They open up the pond and spread rice all over the place.
cool but what’s the geese have to do with it?
Posted on 12/13/23 at 7:16 am to AwgustaDawg
I drive through a public waterfowl area every day for work. Our second split opened Saturday. This area is open on Saturdays and Wednesdays until noon. Shell limit of 25 per person. No draws, no designated areas. Pretty typical in my experience across the country. The area that holds birds is about 1000 acres. The area open to hunting is about half that and the area that is used by birds about half that so all in all about 250 acres, about 90% of which is marginably huntable at best. There were 11 trucks there at 4 AM this morning. There will be more now. Some of them will kill some woodies at shooting light and ALL of them will see THOUSANDS of birds lift off the huntable area and fly to the off limit areas, most before shooting light. This early in the season the only chance to decoy birds will be around 10 am when some of those birds will fly back to the area. They will be stale as stale gets by Saturday. This is an INCREDIBLY hard place to hunt...most of the access is off an interstate highway and the local police have towed vehicles in the past. They do not seem to be doing so now but access still requires parking on the shoulder of a busy interstate and all that that entails. It is not safe to say the least. There are 2 access areas with parking lots but the access here is easy and there will be 50 trucks in those areas this morning and all of those hunters will be within 500 yards of those parking areas.
There is about 2000 acres, owned by the state, that is PERFECT waterfowl habitat that is suitable for hunting. It is closed to hunting. There is another couple of thousand acres of suitable habitat in private hands that has never been hunted and is used by Federal wildlife and Audubon to count birds. That area is private, they can do anything they want with it.
Within a mile of this WMA there is about 10 miles of river, publicly owned as a navigable body of water, which is suitable for hunting. It is closed. The river is open to hunting beyond this, sporadically, but it takes a GPS to make certain you are not out of bounds. All of that area is publicly owned, most of it is off limits. Starting around 5 miles from that areas and extending for about 40 there are thousands of publicly owned acres of hardwood bottoms that flood and several hundred plus acre shallow ponds...ALL of that area is closed to hunting. The entire area holds an enormous number of birds, probably the largest number in the state and the most diverse not on the coast. Finally about 30 miles north of this area there is the largest COE impoundment east of the Mississippi river...and almost the entirety of the lower 1/3 of it is off limits despite being publicly owned. That is a MASSIVE amount of suitable habitat, publicly owned, which could be safely hunted but is not because the managers do not have the resources and the political will to allow it. Meanwhile about half of the people hunting there this morning don't care and about 25% are of the opinion that all of that publicly owned area is necessary for loafing and roosting.
It wasn't always this way. About 30 years ago almost the entirety of that other than those large shallow water ponds was open to the public. Even back in the days of the point system it was unusual for a competent duck hunter to not have a quality hunt in most of that area if they put the work in to do so. They can't put the work in now. The only reason the state has ever given for these areas being closed is they did not have the resources to police it and there was political opposition (anti-hunting) that was more vocal for supporting hunting in those areas.
And knowing that duck hunters like to hear stories about numbers of ducks...I stopped on the side of the interstate Monday afternoon and one of the off limits areas on private land was LOADED with ducks. Thousands. Mostly ringnecks and red heads, as they are our main species, but also every other duck known in our area including 14 Pintail (almost unheard of in our area) and at least 100 Canvasbacks. Those ain't big numbers for most areas but for us that is about a seasons worth of migration. Pretty impressive. And the reason there are so many trucks on the side of the highway LOL...
There is about 2000 acres, owned by the state, that is PERFECT waterfowl habitat that is suitable for hunting. It is closed to hunting. There is another couple of thousand acres of suitable habitat in private hands that has never been hunted and is used by Federal wildlife and Audubon to count birds. That area is private, they can do anything they want with it.
Within a mile of this WMA there is about 10 miles of river, publicly owned as a navigable body of water, which is suitable for hunting. It is closed. The river is open to hunting beyond this, sporadically, but it takes a GPS to make certain you are not out of bounds. All of that area is publicly owned, most of it is off limits. Starting around 5 miles from that areas and extending for about 40 there are thousands of publicly owned acres of hardwood bottoms that flood and several hundred plus acre shallow ponds...ALL of that area is closed to hunting. The entire area holds an enormous number of birds, probably the largest number in the state and the most diverse not on the coast. Finally about 30 miles north of this area there is the largest COE impoundment east of the Mississippi river...and almost the entirety of the lower 1/3 of it is off limits despite being publicly owned. That is a MASSIVE amount of suitable habitat, publicly owned, which could be safely hunted but is not because the managers do not have the resources and the political will to allow it. Meanwhile about half of the people hunting there this morning don't care and about 25% are of the opinion that all of that publicly owned area is necessary for loafing and roosting.
It wasn't always this way. About 30 years ago almost the entirety of that other than those large shallow water ponds was open to the public. Even back in the days of the point system it was unusual for a competent duck hunter to not have a quality hunt in most of that area if they put the work in to do so. They can't put the work in now. The only reason the state has ever given for these areas being closed is they did not have the resources to police it and there was political opposition (anti-hunting) that was more vocal for supporting hunting in those areas.
And knowing that duck hunters like to hear stories about numbers of ducks...I stopped on the side of the interstate Monday afternoon and one of the off limits areas on private land was LOADED with ducks. Thousands. Mostly ringnecks and red heads, as they are our main species, but also every other duck known in our area including 14 Pintail (almost unheard of in our area) and at least 100 Canvasbacks. Those ain't big numbers for most areas but for us that is about a seasons worth of migration. Pretty impressive. And the reason there are so many trucks on the side of the highway LOL...
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