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Coyotes population exploding here, need advice on trapping/killing.

Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:26 pm
Coyotes numbers have been expanding rapidly in Alabama for several years, but only recently started seeing them around here. This concerns me a good bit because we have 4 nieces/nephews, and our son, who plays in the yard. My wife and sister go out there a good bit as well. Also have a couple small dogs and some cats. I realize coyotes normally aren't aggressive to humans, but they are to animals, and if they are mixed coy-wolves/dogs they would be much more likely to not fear humans.

Roughly 2 months ago, I noticed a dead coyote pup on the side of the road about a mile from our house. The pup had a mostly grey back, muzzle, top half of neck, lower legs, and tail; it had black sides, feet, and throat; also had brown mixed in everywhere, but more prominent on its sides, throat, chest, upper legs, and hindquarters. Since then I've seen 5 or 6 more in varying states of existence, and while they all had similar coloring, I wasn't able to get a long enough look at any of them to be able to detail their markings.

Fast forward to now, I haven't seen any the past 2 weeks, but in the past 2 days activity has spiked WAY up. I still haven't seen any, but I sure can hear them. There is a pack somewhere nearby, and they are howling like crazy. I've heard them only twice today, but yesterday it sounded like they were having choir practice all dadgum day. Multiple high pitched calls, with 5 or 6 simultaneous, individual "voices". At times, it almost sounds like they are singing harmony together. It's a mix of yipping, minimal barking, and a lot of howls that occasionally sounds like screaming. When they let a long call loose, it's high pitched enough that it occasionally sounds like something whistling. Similar to what I've always heard people claim bigfoot sounds like.

We are in the Appalachian foothills, and have roughly 17 acres of open ground bordered by an old growth forest on 3 sides. There is a road on the 4th side, with 3 houses separated by large yards, and then more forest behind them. The calls are mostly coming from the woods behind our house, but they do move around a good bit.

The only guns we have are handguns, a .410, a 20 gauge, and 2 .22s. The .22s are not going to do much damage unless I get a heart or brain shot, but the cheap 4x scopes on them aren't accurate enough to allow that from 200-600 yards. And the shotguns/handguns aren't worth anything past 30-ish yards.

What gun should I look at? I have a bad shoulder and can't shoot any large caliber rifle, I've tried a few times and they are extremely painful. I am assuming most would say AR, but I can't really afford one at the moment, unless someone wants to be a pal and give me a deal on one. Would something like a youth .243 do the trick? They aren't horribly expensive.

Also, what should I know about trapping them? Is there a "Trapping Coyotes for Dummies" type of article or website somewhere? Where can I buy what I need to start taking care of the problem?

Tl;dr: Coyotes abound, need dead, how I make dead?
Posted by QuietTiger
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2003
26256 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:29 pm to
Dang, I'm bored but not that bored.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17317 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:37 pm to
I actually kinda miss hearing coyotes howl.

If I were in your shoes I would get a 7mm-08 and a predator call. A heavier gun will kick less, so be mindful of that when looking around. Just cause it's a youth sized stock doesn't mean it won't kick.

YouTube has plenty of videos on predator calling/hunting. Update when you pop a few.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:46 pm to
quote:

Dang, I'm bored but not that bored.


The very last line in the post is a TLDR for the lazy.
Posted by aVatiger
Water
Member since Jan 2006
27967 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:48 pm to
paging bushmaster
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37521 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:49 pm to
Coyotes are weird. I've read studies showing that when they are hunted they respond by having higher litter sizes. I've also read that one of the best ways to ward them off is having a trained dog (obviously expensive/not practical for everyone).

I would say in your case get something inexpensive like a .17wsm from savage. Put a 3-9x scope on it and go to work.
Posted by aVatiger
Water
Member since Jan 2006
27967 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

I am assuming most would say AR, but I can't really afford one at the moment, unless someone wants to be a pal and give me a deal on one.



This is going to be a great GoFundMe campaign
Posted by aVatiger
Water
Member since Jan 2006
27967 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:57 pm to
We need to vote on what I am assuming is going to be a base model .223,(.308?), for OP.

I am assuming that the S&M MP-15 is still the best bang for the buck for base model yot kilting? I'd page Carson but Lord knows he is nose deep in some strippers bhole.
Posted by lsewwww
Member since Feb 2009
376 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 8:58 pm to
We had them up in Homer, LA and I have them on my current farm. Haven't seen a fawn in 2 years! Until this year.......

243 should be fine. I had a M1 30 cal in Homer. My current is my dads weatherby 270 but thats overkill. We can bait after december 15 where I live now and are required to have a handheld or electronic calling device. My neighbor trapped 4 this December and prefers trapping to hunting b/c less time and neighbors don't get jumpy and call the warden. He was using a 7 mm when he was shooting. Only reason we're making a dent in the population is that 3 motivated neighbors are all hunting them now in the area- b/c no one was getting deer anymore

They are VERY smart. They will circle to investigate things unusual and more.
A lot of states have facebook coyote pages and are a wealth of information

This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:01 pm
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:05 pm to
quote:

If I were in your shoes I would get a 7mm-08 and a predator call. A heavier gun will kick less, so be mindful of that when looking around. Just cause it's a youth sized stock doesn't mean it won't kick.


I'll look at 7mm-08's, hadn't thought about those.

As far as the youth model and kick. I mentioned the youth model because every one I've seen tends to be a little cheaper, it would be a bit easier to wield, and .243 in any size isn't going to kick very much at all.

Would something like a 6mm Norma, .22wmr, .22-250, .220 swift be an option? Out of that list I've only shot the .22wmr, and it's accuracy seemed to be suspect. I'm just not sure if it was the round or the gun. We were using a shooting stand to sight in his scope, and the targets were only 30 yards away, but we needed a cereal bowl to cover the pattern.

Does anyone make a .223 in a rifle style that might be cheaper than the AR format?
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:10 pm to
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This is going to be a great GoFundMe campaign




Maybe I'll start a Patreon, and just post videos of every coyote I shoot.
Posted by LSUfreak1459
Member since Feb 2008
839 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:10 pm to
Any rifle is fine. You don't know anyone with a 243 or 22-250 or a 223...? A great way to get someone to let you borrow one is to invite them to help you out. Me and a buddy are going Monday night. Going try to get rid of a pack hanging around the camp.
We are taking our AR's but part of me wants to pull out my 300 win mag and see what it will do to them
Get an electronic call to help get them in.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
30614 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:16 pm to
Youth 243 would be perfect. 223, 22-250, 222, 250 savage, and 22 hornet would do a great job. All have low recoil. If you buy a bigger caliber you could always shoot recoil reduced loads to save your shoulder.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

.17wsm


I've read they don't handle distances longer than 150 yards well, especially their accuracy. Also, do they have enough stopping power over 75-100 yards? I realize they have better ballistics than a .22, but it is still a minuscule round.

I mentioned distances of 200-600 yards in the OP, but that doesn't really give ya'll the full scale of our property. Unless I am able to trap them, I will be shooting yotes from somewhere around 300 yards on average. It is roughly 200yds to the forest at it's closest point to the house, and the far end of the cleared property is closer to 550-ish yards.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

but part of me wants to pull out my 300 win mag and see what it will do to them


Well, it depends on your personal preferences. For example, do you want any coyote left over to warn other yotes who see the body, or not? If you do, use something smaller.
Posted by DonChowder
Sonoma County
Member since Dec 2012
9249 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

Multiple high pitched calls, with 5 or 6 simultaneous, individual "voices". At times, it almost sounds like they are singing harmony together.

Yotes can sing in multiple pitches. That "herd " might be smaller than you think.

As for getting rid of them...distressed rabbit....turkey calls...etc will work. And a good .17 HMR will do all the killing you need.
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
13953 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:48 pm to
I'm just outside the city limits in Shreveport. Maybe 100 yards. Heard some calling about an hour ago. It's pretty busy where I live every few months you see one hit by a vehicle. Sounds like a fun hobby good luck.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37521 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:51 pm to
I've killed some out around 150 with the .17wsm. I just mentioned it because of your shoulder issue and the ammo is relatively cheap.



But for anything over 200 yeah it probably would be a bad idea. You may be able to find a bull barrel .223 Handi-rifle for around $250 bucks online. Put on a decent scope and you'd be in business
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

Yotes can sing in multiple pitches


Yeah, I had to make sure I didn't exaggerate there. I counted individual simultaneous sounds. Their howls have been lasting around 10 seconds, and them going that long makes it easier to differentiate. I don't think a coyote can "sing" multiple pitches in a single howl. Vocal chords don't generally work like that because of how animals have to shape their throat so air can pass over the right spot for the desired sound and pitch.
Posted by NWLA Tiguh12
Member since Jul 2015
2402 posts
Posted on 2/24/17 at 9:53 pm to
Inject some antifreeze in some chicken and put it out away from your house where the coyotes hang out. Keep the dogs and cats inside for a few days.
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