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Archery Experts - Help Needed
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:52 am
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:52 am
I’m about | | close to throwing my bow in the trash. Feel like I’ve spent countless hours trying to tune it in just right. Even bought a new QAD Rest this season because the older version caused bounce back off the shelf.
It’s a PSE single cam bow with a QAD Pro Rest. I FINALLY got the thing tuned in where I loved it. Shot bullet holes through paper and got it sighted in with 1” groups at 30yds using 100g field tips. This alone took a long time to get there.
Then, I went to confirm with broadheads - and I’m shooting HIGH at 20 and 30yds. About 4-5”. I’m shooting three blade fixed muzzy’s (97% sure they’re 100g). Shouldn’t these be impacting, if anything, lower than my FP’s?? I’m at a loss. I can’t move the rest down anymore because of how PSE sets up their shelf height, and I’m already knock high to the point where it’s clearly visible, but that’s what it took to get it paper tuned.
Ideas? I’m about to say forget it and just hunt gun only.
It’s a PSE single cam bow with a QAD Pro Rest. I FINALLY got the thing tuned in where I loved it. Shot bullet holes through paper and got it sighted in with 1” groups at 30yds using 100g field tips. This alone took a long time to get there.
Then, I went to confirm with broadheads - and I’m shooting HIGH at 20 and 30yds. About 4-5”. I’m shooting three blade fixed muzzy’s (97% sure they’re 100g). Shouldn’t these be impacting, if anything, lower than my FP’s?? I’m at a loss. I can’t move the rest down anymore because of how PSE sets up their shelf height, and I’m already knock high to the point where it’s clearly visible, but that’s what it took to get it paper tuned.
Ideas? I’m about to say forget it and just hunt gun only.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:14 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
1. you could switch to mechanical heads which should fly like your field points
2. are you shooting helical fletchings?
3. what is your draw length and weight + what is your arrow spine? you could be shooting an under spined arrow which may cause this
4. shoot a straight arrow with no fletchings at a target and see how it hits
2. are you shooting helical fletchings?
3. what is your draw length and weight + what is your arrow spine? you could be shooting an under spined arrow which may cause this
4. shoot a straight arrow with no fletchings at a target and see how it hits
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:15 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
I'd confirm the weight on the broadheads first. Second, if you're exhausted with it, it might be time to bring it to a pro. It'll be worth it if you wanna continue shooting your bow (and not waste money on it)
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:19 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
Sounds like you could have an arrow spine issue.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:54 pm to mylsuhat
1. might try some different broadheads but man, I’m so sick of sinking money into this thing. Just bought new arrows for it, too.
2. I don’t think they’re helical - slightly offset blazer vanes that came on the Easton bloodline arrows I bought
3. Max draw length on a PSE Sinister - I think it’s 30.5”. I’m 6’6” so the length might be a tad short but it’s the max on the bow. The arrows are 28.5” Easton Bloodline 400’s, and looking at the chart seem to be spined correctly. I don’t have a scale to test poundage but I’d guess 50lbs
4. Haven’t tried a naked arrow. Will try that as well.
ETA: Well shite. Maybe I’m OVERspined?. I thought the minimum poundage for my bow was 50 but it looks like 40 - Although looking at this chart, the 400’s don’t make an appearance until 47lbs. Maybe I should crank up the poundage - thoughts?
2. I don’t think they’re helical - slightly offset blazer vanes that came on the Easton bloodline arrows I bought
3. Max draw length on a PSE Sinister - I think it’s 30.5”. I’m 6’6” so the length might be a tad short but it’s the max on the bow. The arrows are 28.5” Easton Bloodline 400’s, and looking at the chart seem to be spined correctly. I don’t have a scale to test poundage but I’d guess 50lbs
4. Haven’t tried a naked arrow. Will try that as well.
ETA: Well shite. Maybe I’m OVERspined?. I thought the minimum poundage for my bow was 50 but it looks like 40 - Although looking at this chart, the 400’s don’t make an appearance until 47lbs. Maybe I should crank up the poundage - thoughts?
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:57 pm to Hammertime
I had it restrung by the only pro shop close to me which is inside a Scheel’s and they said they paper tuned it but were clearly wrong. I don’t trust their skill any more than my own so I’m afraid that’s not a great path for me
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:20 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
quote:Do you have a shoulder issue? You could definitely benefit from cranking up the draw weight
ETA: Well shite. Maybe I’m OVERspined?. I thought the minimum poundage for my bow was 50 but it looks like 40 - Although looking at this chart, the 400’s don’t make an appearance until 47lbs. Maybe I should crank up the poundage - thoughts?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:33 pm to mylsuhat
Blown rotator cuff and labrum although I can definitely increase weight on it. My problem now is I have no clue what the weight is. For a bow that was only made for 1 year there sure is a lot of conflicting info on draw weight. Seeing anywhere from 40-70lbs range online. Is there a way to tell on my limbs what the max weight is? Could start there and then crank to get an idea
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:41 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
limbs usually some with a sticker on it that has the max draw of that limb. May or may not still be there
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:50 pm to mylsuhat
No sticker, the only thing I see on the limbs is engraved into them on the underside that each day ‘24’ but that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
I increase the weight to the max and while I won’t be able to shoot it 100 times a day I can definitely manage it. Just wish I knew that the actual max is. If it’s a 60lb bow then I am likely underspined now
ETA: found on the PSE site where I could enter model and limb #’s. It’s the 60lb version. Which means I was previously shooting 50lbs and am now at full 60#. I should probably crank down to get into the sweet spot for 400 arrows
I increase the weight to the max and while I won’t be able to shoot it 100 times a day I can definitely manage it. Just wish I knew that the actual max is. If it’s a 60lb bow then I am likely underspined now
ETA: found on the PSE site where I could enter model and limb #’s. It’s the 60lb version. Which means I was previously shooting 50lbs and am now at full 60#. I should probably crank down to get into the sweet spot for 400 arrows
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 2:00 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
All of this to say, it’s not a spine issue on why I’m hitting high with broadheads
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:22 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
I had a Hoyt bow I couldn’t get to tune with the QAD drop away rest. I switched to a limb driver rest and it tuned fine. I struggled like you have and just never could get it tuned. This worked for me. Just something to consider.
Where do you live? Best bow shop I’ve ever found is in Eunice, LA. Most of the so called “pros” aren’t any better than me and you. Jay’s Archery in Eunice is legit.
Where do you live? Best bow shop I’ve ever found is in Eunice, LA. Most of the so called “pros” aren’t any better than me and you. Jay’s Archery in Eunice is legit.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 8:10 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
I used to have the same problem with G5 montec broadheads. I love those heads because they’re so durable but I would sight in my bow with field points, shoot a broadhead and hit high every time. So I switched to Grim Reapers and problem solved. They fly exactly like field points and work great. Maybe spend $30 more before you just give up on bow hunting...
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:44 pm to A_bear
Appreciate the input. I thought about trying the 125g muzzys too. Which version of the Reapers did you get?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:06 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
Some things to try
With that draw length you should go to a bow shop and crank up the poundage to @60 lbs. I had a shoulder REPLACEMENT last year the last week of May and was pulling 58 lbs by Sept 1. Got to max of 61 about a month later. I know it won’t feel great but if it hurts just gradually increase weight by 1/2 turn on limb bolts every one to two weeks as you can handle it.
Try putting a thin piece of rubber or felt on the arrow shelf itself as well as the rest prongs as needed. I too had bounceback issues but the felt dampened it as well as made it even quieter
Best move in broadheads I ever made was switching to Grim Reapers 3 blade mechanicals. Depending on your speed you could take spine out of the arrow by going to 125 gr Grim Reapers. Going to a heavier head essentially decreases spine, all other things being equal.
Good luck ;)
With that draw length you should go to a bow shop and crank up the poundage to @60 lbs. I had a shoulder REPLACEMENT last year the last week of May and was pulling 58 lbs by Sept 1. Got to max of 61 about a month later. I know it won’t feel great but if it hurts just gradually increase weight by 1/2 turn on limb bolts every one to two weeks as you can handle it.
Try putting a thin piece of rubber or felt on the arrow shelf itself as well as the rest prongs as needed. I too had bounceback issues but the felt dampened it as well as made it even quieter
Best move in broadheads I ever made was switching to Grim Reapers 3 blade mechanicals. Depending on your speed you could take spine out of the arrow by going to 125 gr Grim Reapers. Going to a heavier head essentially decreases spine, all other things being equal.
Good luck ;)
Posted on 11/12/18 at 5:13 am to AUTimbo
I’d go get some Rage hypodermics and enjoy the rest of hunting season.
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