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re: Anybody here think the game cameras are cheating/unsportsmanlike?
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No one hunts with cameras. The flash is not sufficient to scare anything to death.
never once have I talked to a single person who hunted with game cams.
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:24 pm to AlxTgr
Most land is public in Ak. You can't put cameras on public land, they will be confiscated. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all land is private, most of that is native. Only trappers can put cameras on public land.
In some districts, you can't use cell or satellite phones.
In some districts, you can't use cell or satellite phones.
This post was edited on 3/7/11 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
People in AK always agree with the law and never step outside it under any circumstance because they love them some central authority.
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:57 pm to faxis
Yeah, I wouldn't think they would use Game cameras very much in Alaska, but what do I know.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:01 am to faxis
quote:
People in AK always agree with the law and never step outside it under any circumstance because they love them some central authority.
I doubt it. Game laws are heavily enforced. W&F troopers are state troopers and game laws are nothing to play with. Fishing regs changes from stream to stream, even parts of rivers are different. Hunting is the same way.
Screwing up once could mean the loss of hunting and priveleges forever. It's not something you take lightly.
We used to hunt Bodcau and Dorcheat in La, and on Timber company land in Logansport. I am sure if game cams were avialable we would have used them back in the day.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:02 am to CamdenTiger
It depends on what they are doing with them. They don't use them like we do for scouting a small area. There's not much reason for it. But for things like taking a census of bears coming to a kill, predators, or just a general what the hell is killing my chickens kinda thing, yeah they use them just like everyone else in spite of the obvious physical impediment of being dumb enough to live where the sun don't shine for that much of the year.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:06 am to faxis
quote:
yeah they use them just like everyone else in spite of the obvious physical impediment of being dumb enough to live where the sun don't shine for that much of the year.
"They" better be extremely careful if they are putting cameras on public land. What area do they live in?
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
That would kinda fly in the face of "careful" don't ya think?
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:14 am to faxis
The area? shite, this state has 586,000 sq miles. I seriously doubt I know them.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:22 am to faxis
Gotcha. I have land up near windy hills, well my ex wife has it. Mainly tundra and drunken spruce.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:22 am to The Mick
Game cameras are not for taking pictures of actual game. They are for taking pictures of GAME wardens who are on your property, aka Mr. Green Jeans and Whop Head Dolly.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:26 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Sounds like a silly place. They would be ridiculed and run out of real America.
Most land is public in Ak. You can't put cameras on public land, they will be confiscated. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all land is private, most of that is native. Only trappers can put cameras on public land.
In some districts, you can't use cell or satellite phones.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:51 am to AlxTgr
quote:
Sounds like a silly place. They would be ridiculed and run out of real America.
Lol
Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:59 am to Hendrix2Harper
There is a whole lot of name calling and under the table implication in this thread.
My 2 Cents
I have a use multiple game cameras. I use them to gauge the health and number of my herd, to monitor for human and animal trepassers, to evaluate the attraction of various supplemental feeds at which animals are eating it, to evaluate the few bucks that appear on the cams based on maturity and development, to monitor our predator population, to give my young sons another avenue to learn about wildlife, and for general enjoyment. (and to look for black panthers)
The 4 deer that were harvested this year on our property were all shot well away from any of the cameras. None of them were patterned by the cameras either.
About half of the 20 plus hogs we have killed were partially patterned with the cams.
The 5 coyotes and one bobcat were all well away from cams and not patterened with them.
As far as food plots, this is the first season we had them and the health of our herd already appears improved. It has been shown in multiple studies that the optimal diet for body mass and antler growth in deer is 16% crude protien, freely available carbs in winter, a good fat and mineral source in spring and early summer, and a widely varied diet. Although we have plenty of acorns, and natural browse for our deer, we were certainly lacking in some areas. The invasion of hogs has created further defecits in the natural food sources. Despite being labor intensive and costly I will continue to put in food plots and provide protien feed, corn, and minerals, as it is it provides the variety needed to improve the health of my herd and the desire for the population to stay on our property.
My 2 Cents
I have a use multiple game cameras. I use them to gauge the health and number of my herd, to monitor for human and animal trepassers, to evaluate the attraction of various supplemental feeds at which animals are eating it, to evaluate the few bucks that appear on the cams based on maturity and development, to monitor our predator population, to give my young sons another avenue to learn about wildlife, and for general enjoyment. (and to look for black panthers)
The 4 deer that were harvested this year on our property were all shot well away from any of the cameras. None of them were patterned by the cameras either.
About half of the 20 plus hogs we have killed were partially patterned with the cams.
The 5 coyotes and one bobcat were all well away from cams and not patterened with them.
As far as food plots, this is the first season we had them and the health of our herd already appears improved. It has been shown in multiple studies that the optimal diet for body mass and antler growth in deer is 16% crude protien, freely available carbs in winter, a good fat and mineral source in spring and early summer, and a widely varied diet. Although we have plenty of acorns, and natural browse for our deer, we were certainly lacking in some areas. The invasion of hogs has created further defecits in the natural food sources. Despite being labor intensive and costly I will continue to put in food plots and provide protien feed, corn, and minerals, as it is it provides the variety needed to improve the health of my herd and the desire for the population to stay on our property.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 10:15 am to Bleeding purple
What implications do you speak of?
Nice post btw. Well thought out rebuttal for the home team
Nice post btw. Well thought out rebuttal for the home team
Posted on 3/8/11 at 11:48 am to Bleeding purple
Very good post Bleeding.
The original post has obviously never stepped foot in the woods and experienced hunting. It is, as we all know, a very different game than just walking into the woods to shoot a B&C deer.
Now, different regions in the country hunt in very different ways based on what has best developed in that area over time.
Hunting in LA is going to be different than hunting in PA which will be different than WA.
Doesn't mean that any of it is better than another, it has just been adopted for the terrain.
The original post has obviously never stepped foot in the woods and experienced hunting. It is, as we all know, a very different game than just walking into the woods to shoot a B&C deer.
Now, different regions in the country hunt in very different ways based on what has best developed in that area over time.
Hunting in LA is going to be different than hunting in PA which will be different than WA.
Doesn't mean that any of it is better than another, it has just been adopted for the terrain.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 1:39 pm to bbvdd
quote:
Doesn't mean that any of it is better than another, it has just been adopted for the terrain.
I totally agree. I cant tell you how many time I have read articles in Outdoorlife, North American Hunter, Bowhunter, ect. where the author reccomends glassing your property during the off season to accomplish much of what I use cams for. If I tried that on my property I would be limited to judging the health of the trees on the tree line 100 yards away. And often people will hold fast that spot and stalk is the only option, but fail to realize that this technique is nearly useless in thick new growth forest with 20-40 ft visibility. You also hear people fuss about stands near open fields or food plots, instead claiming stands should be deep in the woods. They fail to realize that areas of the country have dense foliage late into deer season.
Posted on 3/8/11 at 1:44 pm to The Mick
quote:I don't think they are what you speak of. Just my opionin. That is all.
Anybody here think the game cameras are cheating/unsportsmanlike?
Posted on 3/8/11 at 2:27 pm to Bama and Beer
Dont use them. To each his own. Most are just monitoring a pile of corn so I dont consider them "scouting" cameras. More like inventory takers.
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