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re: Anybody here think the game cameras are cheating/unsportsmanlike?

Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:18 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86346 posts
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:18 pm to
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never once have I talked to a single person who hunted with game cams.
No one hunts with cameras. The flash is not sufficient to scare anything to death.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:24 pm to
Most land is public in Ak. You can't put cameras on public land, they will be confiscated. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all land is private, most of that is native. Only trappers can put cameras on public land.
In some districts, you can't use cell or satellite phones.
This post was edited on 3/7/11 at 11:35 pm
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:54 pm to
People in AK always agree with the law and never step outside it under any circumstance because they love them some central authority.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65118 posts
Posted on 3/7/11 at 11:57 pm to
Yeah, I wouldn't think they would use Game cameras very much in Alaska, but what do I know.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294622 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:01 am to
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People in AK always agree with the law and never step outside it under any circumstance because they love them some central authority.


I doubt it. Game laws are heavily enforced. W&F troopers are state troopers and game laws are nothing to play with. Fishing regs changes from stream to stream, even parts of rivers are different. Hunting is the same way.

Screwing up once could mean the loss of hunting and priveleges forever. It's not something you take lightly.

We used to hunt Bodcau and Dorcheat in La, and on Timber company land in Logansport. I am sure if game cams were avialable we would have used them back in the day.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:02 am to
It depends on what they are doing with them. They don't use them like we do for scouting a small area. There's not much reason for it. But for things like taking a census of bears coming to a kill, predators, or just a general what the hell is killing my chickens kinda thing, yeah they use them just like everyone else in spite of the obvious physical impediment of being dumb enough to live where the sun don't shine for that much of the year.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294622 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:06 am to
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yeah they use them just like everyone else in spite of the obvious physical impediment of being dumb enough to live where the sun don't shine for that much of the year.


"They" better be extremely careful if they are putting cameras on public land. What area do they live in?
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:07 am to
That would kinda fly in the face of "careful" don't ya think?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294622 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:14 am to
The area? shite, this state has 586,000 sq miles. I seriously doubt I know them.
Posted by faxis
La.
Member since Oct 2007
7773 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:18 am to
The middle.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294622 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 12:22 am to
Gotcha. I have land up near windy hills, well my ex wife has it. Mainly tundra and drunken spruce.
Posted by justiceroll
SC
Member since Dec 2010
29 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:22 am to
Game cameras are not for taking pictures of actual game. They are for taking pictures of GAME wardens who are on your property, aka Mr. Green Jeans and Whop Head Dolly.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86346 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:26 am to
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Most land is public in Ak. You can't put cameras on public land, they will be confiscated. Less than 1/2 of 1% of all land is private, most of that is native. Only trappers can put cameras on public land.
In some districts, you can't use cell or satellite phones.
Sounds like a silly place. They would be ridiculed and run out of real America.
Posted by Hendrix2Harper
Garden District
Member since Feb 2011
416 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 8:51 am to
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Sounds like a silly place. They would be ridiculed and run out of real America.


Lol
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 9:59 am to
There is a whole lot of name calling and under the table implication in this thread.


My 2 Cents

I have a use multiple game cameras. I use them to gauge the health and number of my herd, to monitor for human and animal trepassers, to evaluate the attraction of various supplemental feeds at which animals are eating it, to evaluate the few bucks that appear on the cams based on maturity and development, to monitor our predator population, to give my young sons another avenue to learn about wildlife, and for general enjoyment. (and to look for black panthers)

The 4 deer that were harvested this year on our property were all shot well away from any of the cameras. None of them were patterned by the cameras either.

About half of the 20 plus hogs we have killed were partially patterned with the cams.

The 5 coyotes and one bobcat were all well away from cams and not patterened with them.




As far as food plots, this is the first season we had them and the health of our herd already appears improved. It has been shown in multiple studies that the optimal diet for body mass and antler growth in deer is 16% crude protien, freely available carbs in winter, a good fat and mineral source in spring and early summer, and a widely varied diet. Although we have plenty of acorns, and natural browse for our deer, we were certainly lacking in some areas. The invasion of hogs has created further defecits in the natural food sources. Despite being labor intensive and costly I will continue to put in food plots and provide protien feed, corn, and minerals, as it is it provides the variety needed to improve the health of my herd and the desire for the population to stay on our property.
Posted by Hendrix2Harper
Garden District
Member since Feb 2011
416 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 10:15 am to
What implications do you speak of?

Nice post btw. Well thought out rebuttal for the home team
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
28023 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 11:48 am to
Very good post Bleeding.

The original post has obviously never stepped foot in the woods and experienced hunting. It is, as we all know, a very different game than just walking into the woods to shoot a B&C deer.

Now, different regions in the country hunt in very different ways based on what has best developed in that area over time.

Hunting in LA is going to be different than hunting in PA which will be different than WA.

Doesn't mean that any of it is better than another, it has just been adopted for the terrain.

Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25343 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 1:39 pm to
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Doesn't mean that any of it is better than another, it has just been adopted for the terrain.


I totally agree. I cant tell you how many time I have read articles in Outdoorlife, North American Hunter, Bowhunter, ect. where the author reccomends glassing your property during the off season to accomplish much of what I use cams for. If I tried that on my property I would be limited to judging the health of the trees on the tree line 100 yards away. And often people will hold fast that spot and stalk is the only option, but fail to realize that this technique is nearly useless in thick new growth forest with 20-40 ft visibility. You also hear people fuss about stands near open fields or food plots, instead claiming stands should be deep in the woods. They fail to realize that areas of the country have dense foliage late into deer season.

Posted by Bama and Beer
Baldwin Co, AL
Member since Oct 2010
84582 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 1:44 pm to
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Anybody here think the game cameras are cheating/unsportsmanlike?
I don't think they are what you speak of. Just my opionin. That is all.
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
8870 posts
Posted on 3/8/11 at 2:27 pm to
Dont use them. To each his own. Most are just monitoring a pile of corn so I dont consider them "scouting" cameras. More like inventory takers.
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