females still have different physical traits from men and vice versa.

a man's center of balance is in their upper body, especially shoulders.

with women it's in their hips.

even male and women gymnast have different skills. females can do some balance beams better. men naturally have stronger upper bodies and more power.

just because some men are stronger than other men doesn't mean it's okay for men to compete against natural women. it seems like common sense even if you forget the science of it, but that's the opinion of most.

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Posted by jimmy the leg

Member since Aug 2007

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Posted on 8/4/24 at 7:47 am to beauchristopher

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just because some men are stronger than other men doesn't mean it's okay for men to compete against natural women.

The IOC seems to disagree with you.

My question to the IOC (and the defenders of their decision) is, if you are going to allow a man to beat down a woman in boxing (one of the most violent sports), then why have a women’s division at all for any sport?

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it seems like common sense

Dividing along biological lines?

It should be, and yet…

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Posted by beauchristopher

Member since Jan 2008

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Posted on 8/4/24 at 7:54 am to crazy4lsu

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No, not if she has androgen insensitivity syndrome. She'd have hormonal derangements which would make competing at a high level extremely difficult.

forgive me if i am misunderstanding your conversation, but if this is about the boxer in question then he/she is competing at a high level, no? doesn't seem extremely difficult for them.

so that seems to possibly rule the idea of this out.

i'm sorry, but i'm not sure what to believe about this person, because of so many conflicting stories and i don't know that i can trust any of it. regardless what they were assigned at birth. they don't really do dna testing when babies are born. they could have internal testicles and they just assign female without noticing at birth, etc. lots of possibilities here, but i don't exactly trust anything said from either side as fact.

it really appears this person is more man than woman, but that's how i see it and that's not a good enough argument to rule on. i would like some sort of testing done here besides the passport qualifier thing (if true).

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Posted by crazy4lsu

Member since May 2005

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Posted on 8/5/24 at 7:23 am to jimmy the leg

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And yet, it’s not impossible.

In terms of rarity, we are getting into a presentation that is 1 in a million. As in, she's presenting with a relatively rare DSD with a symptomatology that is even more unique. If she presented to clinic, she'd be an easy case report, if everything that is being said about her is true.

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However, her current physical capabilities align more with my view than yours…no?

If so, then it is any wonder that she has ever lost, as the muscle mass differences make it very unlikely that if she gained an advantage from the Y chromosome that she would ever lose. Yet she's lost 9 times.

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