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re: Oil Spill and Offshore Fishing (Latest Developments)
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:21 am to lsugradman
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:21 am to lsugradman
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I think Tahiti Spar broke the record last summer if im not mistaken
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Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:22 am to lsugradman
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I would say the comment about reservoir pressure being 170k psi pretty much confrims that that entire post is complete bullshite.
yeah i'm w/ you
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:22 am to White Roach
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However, I thought that I heard or read, from BP statements, that the "three" leaks (which are actually one stream through the BOP) are at two kniks in the riser and through the broken end of the riser. Some have suggested that these "kinks" are serving as choke points and somewhat restricting the flow.
ok, sample catcher. think about this for a minute:
they are currently building a funnel to go on top of the bop to funnel the oil to surface. now, here is what i want you to think about. you have a water faucet coming out of your front yard that stands out of the ground about 1 foot. attached to your water spout is a steel water pip that is stretched out in the yard. the water is on and you want to put a five gallon bucket over that faucet to contain the leak. can you with the hard pipe attached to the faucet? of course you can't. do you think that bp engineers would design a funnel if they were trying to put this over the bop with the riser still attached? no.
anyway, if you ever saw a jt of riser, you will know that it doesn't have the ability to kink. it will break before it kinks enough to slow down any flow.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:24 am to tigerdup07
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yeah i'm w/ you
I mean they may have been drilling into the mantle. I dont know i didnt watch Journey to the Center of the Earth.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:25 am to lsugradman
quote:That's NOT from a single well!
the record used to be the shell mars spar which produced 225,000 in 24 hrs. that was a few years back. maybe someone else now. but, it aint 500,000 barrels.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:26 am to Taxing Authority
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That's NOT from a single well!
17 different. you're right. i meant the platform.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:26 am to lsugradman
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I mean they may have been drilling into the mantle. I dont know i didnt watch Journey to the Center of the Earth.
THATS the problem... the devil got pissed they were invading his home and blew it up
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:27 am to tigerdup07
This is a smaller version of what they are building.
Multiply this pollution dome by 100.
Multiply this pollution dome by 100.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:29 am to tgrbaitn08
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I just found the story of some fisherman who were tied to the rig when things began to go wrong, and witnessed the explosions. It is an amazing story.
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That story is total bullshite. They would not have been allowed to tie up to the Horizon.
Doesnt say in the story that the fisherman were tied to the rig, just that they were fishing around it. Just says that the work boat was tied to the rig. The story could be legit.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:29 am to tigerdup07
quote:Tigerdup, take a look at this from USCG... LINK
anyway, if you ever saw a jt of riser, you will know that it doesn't have the ability to kink. it will break before it kinks enough to slow down any flow.
What am I missing?
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:33 am to Taxing Authority
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What am I missing?
it's broken at that 60 degree angle. that's another one of the three leaks. so, the "kink" is a crack.
riser jts. don't have the ability to bend to a 60 degree angle without cracking.
i am still trying to figure out how it's leaking through the jt. of drill pipe.
This post was edited on 5/3/10 at 9:34 am
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:34 am to tigerdup07
i think there is a big misunderstanding between everyone with the 'kink'
when it bent over the pipe kinked which lead to the crack in it
when it bent over the pipe kinked which lead to the crack in it
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:42 am to White Roach
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However, I thought that I heard or read, from BP statements, that the "three" leaks (which are actually one stream through the BOP) are at two kniks in the riser and through the broken end of the riser. Some have suggested that these "kinks" are serving as choke points and somewhat restricting the flow.
I think you and I might have read the same thing.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:42 am to tgrbaitn08
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This is a smaller version of what they are building
So here is the part that pisses me off....why the heck are they just now BUILDING what they need to alleviate the problem? Wouldn't it be a good idea to already have such apparatus built and stored in an emergency warehouse somewhere to immediately disperse when necessary? I mean seriously, think about the logic here. It is like having a fire extinguisher in your building in 25 parts which says "In case of emergency, please assemble"
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:42 am to tigerdup07
you see, there is a choke manifold on the rig floor that can be lined up in many different ways to pump down the hole.
Ah yes said the blind man. I take it that the annular bags can be used to throttle the annulus, meaning they can partialy close the annulus or do they just perform on or off functions?
Looking at the joint for the riser got me to thinking. The bolts used to make up a joint are very critical to the whole operation. I would think that the quality control on them is very rigid. How are they packaged for delivery to the rig?
I would also guess that they are carefully torqued. How do they measure the applied torque? Torque gauge, direct tension indicators? Double grunt method?
Thanks for all of this info, it truly is clearing up a fuzzy picture for me.
What part of this stuff is leaking?
PS I think this disaster will end up being a game changer in the domestic oil industry.
Ah yes said the blind man. I take it that the annular bags can be used to throttle the annulus, meaning they can partialy close the annulus or do they just perform on or off functions?
Looking at the joint for the riser got me to thinking. The bolts used to make up a joint are very critical to the whole operation. I would think that the quality control on them is very rigid. How are they packaged for delivery to the rig?
I would also guess that they are carefully torqued. How do they measure the applied torque? Torque gauge, direct tension indicators? Double grunt method?
Thanks for all of this info, it truly is clearing up a fuzzy picture for me.
What part of this stuff is leaking?
PS I think this disaster will end up being a game changer in the domestic oil industry.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:43 am to tigerdup07
quote:Ok gotcha!
it's broken at that 60 degree angle. that's another one of the three leaks. so, the "kink" is a crack.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:44 am to tigerdup07
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ok, sample catcher. think about this for a minute:
HOLY shite! I've having flashbacks! Call me "College Boy" and "City Boy" next! Cut in line in front of me in the Galley! Ha, ha, ha....
Seriously, I appreciate your help and patience (?) in explaining things to those of us who are less informed. I'm not being sarcastic, and I mean this sincerely.
Quote below is from an Upstream Online article, dated 3May10 00:54 GMT
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Cofferdam
While this flow might be redirected to the main leak at the end of the riser, BP said it hoped to capture much of this oil in a massive cofferdam being rush fabricated for the purpose.
The first of the three giant containment domes, measuring 14 feet by 24 feet by 40 feet, has been completed at a yard in Louisiana and is ready to load onto a work boat.
Fryar said it could be "deployed and in service" over top of the main leak in the next six to eight days.
Once in place, oily water would be trapped under the dome and will be pumped to the Discoverer Enterprise.
Once on board it would be processed and loaded onto a tanker to be brought to shore.
The pipework connections linking the cofferdam to Discoverer Enterprise have been finished.
Work continues on two more cofferdams, one of which is set to go over a smaller leak at the juncture of the riser and the LMRP.
A similar system worked in the shallow water US Gulf after hurricanes damaged production installations but it has never been tested at this water depth, Fryar said.
Fryar also said BP successfully tested a plan to apply dispersant to the oil as it exits the riser two days ago.
Over a six-hour test, BP sprayed about 3000 gallons of dispersant using 2-inch coil tubing connected to a wand.
The dispersants break the oil into smaller portions and allow it to naturally degrade more quickly.
Again, thanks for sharing your experience and helping clarify the situation for the rest of us.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:49 am to Shankopotomus
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Wouldn't it be a good idea to already have such apparatus built and stored in an emergency warehouse somewhere
And a million dollar idea is posted on the OT.
Runs off to form new LLC
Think of what you could charge per diem if you just had one ready to roll.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 9:57 am to Bussemer
Ok, smartass. Maybe not as a private enterprise, but hell this should be part of law or permit regulation to have a rig in the first place. Just like fire codes, if you have a situation such as this one these various fixes should be prepared and ready to be deployed rather than this seemingly unnecessary delay for construction time.
I obviously am not an offshore expert, but this just seems like common sense to me.
I obviously am not an offshore expert, but this just seems like common sense to me.
Posted on 5/3/10 at 10:01 am to lsugradman
The fishing story and this guy saying that the power was shut down and the E-gens started up which blew up the rig is hard to believe.
If the rig was in the middle of an emergency they wouldn't shut the power down.
I would suspect that someone would want to talk to this guy. If his story is true his boat could have caused the explosion.
His story has so many holes in it that it isn't believable to me.
If the rig was in the middle of an emergency they wouldn't shut the power down.
I would suspect that someone would want to talk to this guy. If his story is true his boat could have caused the explosion.
His story has so many holes in it that it isn't believable to me.
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