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re: 60 minutes on CBS
Posted on 5/17/10 at 8:19 pm to Carnage
Posted on 5/17/10 at 8:19 pm to Carnage
as to the fisherman, i don't know the various iterations of their story, but i can tell you that fishing very close to a dynamically positioned rig is typically not allowed -- commercial or recreational.
fishing line has gotten caught in the omnidirectional thrusters that are constantly running and hold the rig in position over the wellhead. the line does not bind up the thruster or anything like that. rather, it can wrap itself around the shaft of the thruster and and work its way to the seals that separate the gulf from the coolant and lubrication system of the thruster. there have been numerous cases of line compromising these seals and allowing water ingress to the oil system. the thruster then has to be shut down and repaired by divers.
consequently fishermen are usually hustled away pretty quickly. again, this is just DP rigs -- not platforms, spars, moored semi's or jackups.
fishing line has gotten caught in the omnidirectional thrusters that are constantly running and hold the rig in position over the wellhead. the line does not bind up the thruster or anything like that. rather, it can wrap itself around the shaft of the thruster and and work its way to the seals that separate the gulf from the coolant and lubrication system of the thruster. there have been numerous cases of line compromising these seals and allowing water ingress to the oil system. the thruster then has to be shut down and repaired by divers.
consequently fishermen are usually hustled away pretty quickly. again, this is just DP rigs -- not platforms, spars, moored semi's or jackups.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 8:52 pm to oilfieldtiger
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the shear rams
These have not proven reliable when problems elsewhere have arisen have they?
Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:50 pm to mikeytig
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These have not proven reliable when problems elsewhere have arisen have they?
that's too broad a statement to make. there's thousands of components to a subsea BOP stack, and they are not all interdependent -- in fact there's basically two full independent systems on the stack.
blind shear and casing shear rams have been successful and reliable over the course of subsea drilling (and surface stacks for that matter too). having a damaged annular rubber in no way implies you would therefore have some problem w/ the blind shear rams.
i have heard reference to "a hydraulic leak" on the stack, a "weak battery" and a "malfunctioning control pod". you can't really say definitely whether any of these problems contributed to the BOP stack not shutting in the well w/o additional, specific, and highly technical informaiton.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:55 pm to oilfieldtiger
So you have cement between the hole and the outer pipe and between the outer pipe and the production pipe.
The production pipe is then plugged with cement plugs and drilling mud?
The production pipe is then plugged with cement plugs and drilling mud?
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:27 pm to Cash
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So you have cement between the hole and the outer pipe and between the outer pipe and the production pipe.
The production pipe is then plugged with cement plugs and drilling mud?
Yes...except this particular kind of pipe is "casing", not to be confused with production "tubing", which is put inside the production casing typically to serve as the mechanism for transferring fluids to the wellhead.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:34 pm to Cash
the abandonment scenario they were going for was this:
cement in the space between the 8 1/2" hole and 7" casing of sufficient size and strength to permanently isolate the hydrocarbon bearing reservoir. this provides long term isolation of the reservoir during production.
about 100' of cement left inside the very bottom of the 7" casing (known as the "shoe track").
a series of cement plugs inside the 9 7/8" x 7" production casing that are several hundered feet in length. i am not sure how many plugs they were planning to pump. when a rig would return to execute the completion (i.e. put in the necessary equipment for the well to produce) these plugs would be drilled out.
cement in the space between the 8 1/2" hole and 7" casing of sufficient size and strength to permanently isolate the hydrocarbon bearing reservoir. this provides long term isolation of the reservoir during production.
about 100' of cement left inside the very bottom of the 7" casing (known as the "shoe track").
a series of cement plugs inside the 9 7/8" x 7" production casing that are several hundered feet in length. i am not sure how many plugs they were planning to pump. when a rig would return to execute the completion (i.e. put in the necessary equipment for the well to produce) these plugs would be drilled out.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:42 pm to oilfieldtiger
oilfieldtiger, I'm in the industry, but not in drilling.
Why the series of plugs? Why not just one big plug?
What's left between the plugs? Mud? Completion fluids? Brine?
Why the series of plugs? Why not just one big plug?
What's left between the plugs? Mud? Completion fluids? Brine?
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:59 pm to Carnage
It makes no difference how "you know". I know that the money financing the well calls the shots. You disagree with them, buck them, stand up to them, you will never work for them again. So STFU. I'm in the OG business, albeit a landman. If you disagree with the people who write your check you are gone. My two cents worth and my 4000th post.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 11:38 pm to Mudminnow
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Mudminnow
thanks for posting that link...very good
Posted on 5/18/10 at 5:44 am to windriver
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I know that the money financing the well calls the shots. You disagree with them, buck them, stand up to them, you will never work for them again. So STFU. I'm in the OG business, albeit a landman.
That's completely inaccurate. I have never been on a single location where a toolpusher or OIM have been run off for a difference of opinion. In fact (and this could be that I've almost always worked for majors), every rig that I go on tells you that if you're not comfortable with things going on, to stop the job with no reprecussions to yourself or your company.
Maybe 20 years ago, your statement is correct, and maybe that's still the case on land. I've not been on a land rig in about 4 years. But offshore, at least for the company I work for, having a disagreement about procedure will not get you a one way ticket home. It's just not how it works.
And Carnage should know what he's talking about. He was one of the hands on the rig (I don't know if he said he was on location at the time of the explosion or not).
Concerning the 60 minutes story. I watched if more for the personal story of survival. Having had friends that were working on the Horizon, and hearing some of their stories, I watched to see this guys story.
One last thing for oilfieldtiger.
When this board first started, I was talking to someone who is a drilling engineer for the company that I'm contracting for in Laffy. That was you, right?
Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:32 am to windriver
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I know that the money financing the well calls the shots. You disagree with them, buck them, stand up to them, you will never work for them again.
Completely false.
I argue with these guys all the time and still work for them. The mentality in the industry has changed from the old oilfield.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:50 am to Luke4LSU
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Why the series of plugs? Why not just one big plug?
usually you end up w/ some kind of 500'-1000' intermediate plug somehwere deeper in the well to satisfy a requirement of the MMS -- like have cement across a liner top of something. this plug may also involve a mechanical plug as well -- like a bridge plug from halliburton.
then you end up w/ something like a 500' within a couple of hundred feet of the mudline (the surface plug) -- again, an abandonment regulation requirement.
another part in the logic of the regulation is that you are putting multiple barriers in the hole to give you multiple levels of containment and guard against a situation where, let's say you pumped 1 giant cement plug, but the slurry was badly contaminated so it didn't set up properly.
you end up w/ mud left in the hole between the plugs, w/ sea water left on top of your surface plug.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 6:52 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
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That was you, right?
i think so, but i'm in the houston office
Posted on 5/18/10 at 7:15 am to oilfieldtiger
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i think so, but i'm in the houston office
Yeah, I remember. If you ever make it to the Laffy area, drinks are on me.
I'm in the process of going back to school for ME, hoping to stay in D&C. One of the Sr. engineeers here is helping me get things lined up and talk to the company about an internship.
Do you know what kind of cement they were using (class H vs. Liquid Stone)? I don't remember seeing it.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 7:47 am to BROffshoreTigerFan
halliburton. i don't know the class or slurry weight.
hope it works out for you w/ the schooling & internship.
hope it works out for you w/ the schooling & internship.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 9:27 am to windriver
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It makes no difference how "you know". I know that the money financing the well calls the shots. You disagree with them, buck them, stand up to them, you will never work for them again. So STFU. I'm in the OG business, albeit a landman. If you disagree with the people who write your check you are gone. My two cents worth and my 4000th post.
I'm sorry if that is how it works where you are employed. I am just trying to give an accurate description of how the day to day operations occured on the DWH.
Posted on 5/18/10 at 12:35 pm to Carnage
Carnage, I must say, your calm and intelligent responses to rude attacks on you are highly commendable. 
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