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re: You make the call: safe at first or out?

Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:38 pm to
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:38 pm to
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That makes no sense. There is no requirement she put her entire foot outside the box. The only requirement is both feet start in the box before the pitch is made.
I didn't say anything about a requirement. I'm saying batter is only out if complete foot is out of batters box on contact.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:39 pm to
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She was not called out for leaving the box early. Period.



Again, you are basing this off of a video that doesn't even show the home plate ump.

The first base ump could have been reiterating the home umps call
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:39 pm to
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I didn't say anything about a requirement. I'm saying batter is only out if complete foot is out of batters box on contact.


And I'm pointing out it's been posted in here multiple times in girls softball the batter can have a foot completely outside the box on contact. What part of this are you not understanding?
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:42 pm to
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She was in the box before contact was made.



At contact her left foot looks to be in front of home plate.

Since batters boxes do not exist directly in front of home plate it could lead one to believe she had the entire foot out of a batters box (See crossing the plate) while contact was made.

Yes, she started out in the batters box, but as the rule posted says: The batter hits the ball fair or foul while either foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or while touching the plate.

shite, her foot could have been touching
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Again, you are basing this off of a video that doesn't even show the home plate ump.

The first base ump could have been reiterating the home umps call





Don't you think if home ump had called her out the news article would have mentioned that fact? Did you read the article or just watch the Twitter video? There's zero evidence the home ump called her out and it's not just because the Twitter video didn't show it. Unless you can provide any evidence the home ump called her out, it's a straw man argument.
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Again, if what you're trying to say is correct, the home ump would have called her out, not the 1st base ump. That's home ump's call.


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Furthermore, it's obvious from the video the 1st base ump called her out based on the throw to 1st. You can tell because he is clearly watching toward 1 and only calls her out after the throw arrives at 1st.

She was not called out for leaving the box early. Period.
Agree. I'm not sure why you're directing that at me since I haven't said either. I haven't called in a few years but I'm a certified HS ump.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:44 pm to
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What a miserable fricking loser you must be. You add nothing to the conversation, probably because your'e a pale, fat, non-athletic nerd who's never played a sport in your life unless you consider Dungons and Dragons in your parents basement a sport.
I just put a class 5 curse on you
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:45 pm to
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Don't you think if home ump had called her out the news article would have mentioned that fact?


Because it is written by a hack of a journalist/blogger that may be her uncle.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:46 pm to
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At contact her left foot looks to be in front of home plate.

Since batters boxes do not exist directly in front of home plate it could lead one to believe she had the entire foot out of a batters box (See crossing the plate) while contact was made.

Yes, she started out in the batters box, but as the rule posted says: The batter hits the ball fair or foul while either foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or while touching the plate.

shite, her foot could have been touching



Reading comprehension... do you have any? Read this slowly and think about it a moment....

quote:

NOTE: A follow-through with the bat may carry one of the batter's feet entirely outside the box so it touches the ground as the ball is leaving the bat.

Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:47 pm to
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And I'm pointing out it's been posted in here multiple times in girls softball the batter can have a foot completely outside the box on contact. What part of this are you not understanding?
That would be wrong,


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ART. 8 . . . The batter hits the ball fair or foul while either foot is touching the ground completely outside the lines of the batter's box or while touching the plate. NOTE: A follow-through with the bat may carry one of the batter's feet entirely outside the box so it touches the ground as the ball is leaving the bat. It is customary for the umpire to ignore this if both feet were in legal position at the start of the swing and if it is not considered an attempt to circumvent the spirit of the rule
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:48 pm to
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Because it is written by a hack of a journalist/blogger that may be her uncle.


You know this journalist enough to basically call them a liar? Please give us your evidence to back up your claim. Otherwise you're just attacking the messenger because you can't counter the story on facts alone.
Posted by Pelican fan99
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:50 pm to
The coach better have gotten tossed after that
Posted by lsusteve1
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:51 pm to
She didn't leave box early

She touched 1st base

Umpire Was Looking at Bag and I'm assuming watching foot & listening for ball hitting glove.

He totally missed the call
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:52 pm to


U right.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:52 pm to
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quote:
And I'm pointing out it's been posted in here multiple times in girls softball the batter can have a foot completely outside the box on contact. What part of this are you not understanding?



quote:

That would be wrong,


How is it wrong? This comes from the rule book...

quote:

A follow-through with the bat may carry one of the batter's feet entirely outside the box so it touches the ground as the ball is leaving the bat.


quote:

A follow-through with the bat may carry one of the batter's feet entirely outside the box so it touches the ground as the ball is leaving the bat.


Plus, this is just a distraction since it's obvious the 1st base ump called her out based on the throw and not anything to do with when or where she hit the ball. That's not even his call.
Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:54 pm to
"follow through with bat carrying one's foot" does not equal foo completely out ON contact.

I'm afraid to ask what you think happens in the 5th inning when there are no longer lines visible.
This post was edited on 3/11/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 12:58 pm to
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"follow through with bat" does not equal foo completely out ON contact.

I'm afraid to ask what you think happens in the 5th inning when there are no longer lines visible.


Again, this has nothing to do with the play since it's obvious the call was based on the throw to 1st and had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE PLATE.

Posted by Geauxtiga
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:01 pm to
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Again, this has nothing to do with the play since it's obvious the call was based on the throw to 1st and had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE PLATE.

Again, I agree and am not arguing that. Go back and read where I got in. it was in the rule interpretation (you know, the one you are wrong on) that I tried to clarify. You keep jumping around though so I'm done.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:02 pm to
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since it's obvious the call was based on the throw to 1st and had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE PLATE.


how do you know the ump just didnt make a mistake,
saw the out at the plate but pointed to the bag out of habit ?


Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 3/11/17 at 1:04 pm to
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Again, this has nothing to do with the play since it's obvious the call was based on the throw to 1st and had NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE PLATE.




I'm not going to lie. I thought I was trolling you for a while. You got me to bite on yours.
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