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re: With Delta Force killing the ISIS leader, I hope that..
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:21 am to Korin
Posted on 10/29/19 at 9:21 am to Korin
quote:I think it's been around off and on since the 70's actually. In any case it needs to be done away with. It's a detriment to the actual mission of the Special Forces.
The 18X program has been around since the 70s.
As for Delta vs SEALs. I've known a few Delta guys that were as big a asshats as anyone else. The most soft spoken guys in the SOF community I've met have been CCTs. But they're still Air Force so they don't really count.
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:13 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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I think it's been around off and on since the 70's actually. In any case it needs to be done away with. It's a detriment to the actual mission of the Special Forces.
I've heard the good and the bad about it. People speak highly of SOPC (which is only for 18X soldiers). It's also a good way to fill undesirable MOSs after they inevitably quit or don't get selected.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:34 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I don’t think it is appropriate to compare Delta to “SEALs”. Isn’t it more appropriate to compare SEALs to Army SF and Delta/CAG to DEVGRU/ST6.
Even the the SEAL (numbers not colors) mission is really different from Army SF, so that comparison breaks down quickly.
SEALs and MARSOC are more closely akin, or maybe SEALs and Rangers on the Army side.
Maybe SEALs are like Rangers that swim well.
Even the the SEAL (numbers not colors) mission is really different from Army SF, so that comparison breaks down quickly.
SEALs and MARSOC are more closely akin, or maybe SEALs and Rangers on the Army side.
Maybe SEALs are like Rangers that swim well.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:38 am to DeltaDoc
TBH it makes more sense to give the Marines the SEAL land warfare role and let the SEALS go back to being full time UDTs. Never happen for the same reason each branch has its own air force.
Fun fact: Army SF has more combat divers than there are SEALS
Fun fact: Army SF has more combat divers than there are SEALS
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:41 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:40 am to DeltaDoc
If I had to compare "regular" SEALs to anyone it would be the Rangers.
ST6/Delta are nearly identical in capabilities.
"Regular" Seals are the farm league for ST6 and Rangers are the farm league for Delta.
To my knowledge SF/MARSOC are really close.
ST6/Delta are nearly identical in capabilities.
"Regular" Seals are the farm league for ST6 and Rangers are the farm league for Delta.
To my knowledge SF/MARSOC are really close.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:41 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I thought Delta was the best from all branches?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:44 am to Janky
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I thought Delta was the best from all branches?
Anybody who really knows aint telling the OT. We do know there is, or was, at least one Marine in Delta because he was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions in the Benghazi embassy siege.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:44 am to Janky
quote:I've heard that pretty much anyone can try out but the majority come from the Rangers. Like 70%ish. Most of the rest coming from regular infantry and the SF community to a small degree. But yes, I think they'll take a rockstar Marine or SEAL on occasion.
I thought Delta was the best from all branches?
ETA: I'm not an expert by any means. But I do work with a lot of guys from all of those units in my civilian occupation so I'm passing on solely what I hear. TIFWIW
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:46 am to GeauxxxTigers23
SF guys tend to go to another Tier 1 unit thats less well known than Delta, or directly to the Agency.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:47 am to Jim Rockford
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the Agency
Would these people be like your Jason Bourne types?
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:48 am to Jim Rockford
quote:Exactly what I've heard. SF works directly with State on regular and wide basis. So SF tends to be the farm league for Ground Branch.
SF guys tend to go to another Tier 1 unit thats less well known than Delta, or directly to the Agency.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:50 am to GeauxxxTigers23
A little off topic but if you enjoy reading about this kind of stuff try the Adam Brown story. It is a really good read.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 10:57 am to Jim Rockford
ISA
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:00 am to DeltaDoc
quote:Is really the only unit that TRULY recruits from anyone and everyone.
ISA
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:04 am to baldona
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I also think Delta is a very long way away from getting the SEALS level of notoriety.
There's a legitimate reason for this. They are so covert they don't exist***
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:05 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Yep. Most don’t know about them, but when contemplating individual badasses (apart from a group), that is them.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 11:07 am to DeltaDoc
quote:Well their mission doesn't really entail the things movies are made of normally.
Most don’t know about them
Posted on 10/29/19 at 1:56 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
This is true...
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:10 pm to DeltaDoc
Posted on 10/29/19 at 3:13 pm to DeltaDoc
delta is by far the most professional group of operators this country has.
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