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re: Why massive student loan debt is a good thing

Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:01 pm to
Some degrees should be cash only, no subsidized loans of any kind. Seriously do you think many folks get the lay of the land in their late teens to mid 20's. The universities and schools, not the Feds, should eat it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:02 pm to
i worked in undergrad (cushy on campus job as part of my scholarship, which is where i found out about this site <3)

i didn't have any real debt after undergrad, but took on a good chunk for law school. even then, i had a 75% off scholarship and didn't ride super high on the hog. i didn't work (should have, but whatever)

i have lived very "small" since i got out. thanks to this board i knew the 2008 crash was impending so i moved back to LC b/c i had a (shitty, but entry-level) job waiting. lower COL (hell i moved back in with my mom for a year until i was settled). paid off my car ASAP to avoid a note to help with SL. when i hit a few bigger licks later on, i devoted a metric shite ton to my debt (highest interest level first). no real vacations.

i'm now finally at a point where i have invested in myself and firm enough to where my firm looks to be long-term profitable and i'm about to really begin to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor-risk and living so "low" for a fricking decade after law school
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38892 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:05 pm to
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Those issues are a necessary pain to restore order.




Maybe. The problem with pain is that no member of Congress, nor the public, has the stones to suffer pain. So we have to get there in a less painful direction.

The pain will never be the answer, because it's literally impossible, hence a more complete approach to changing the culture of the country. We can avoid the immediate pain if we focus on culture and the private sector--at least some of the pain.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38892 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:06 pm to
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Some degrees should be cash only, no subsidized loans of any kind.


Just another form of social engineering that is not needed. Degrees should be treated equally when we're talking about academic study.

Let private grants fuel differentiation.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:07 pm to
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Maybe. The problem with pain is that no member of Congress, nor the public, has the stones to suffer pain. So we have to get there in a less painful direction.

The pain will never be the answer, because it's literally impossible, hence a more complete approach to changing the culture of the country. We can avoid the immediate pain if we focus on culture and the private sector--at least some of the pain.


touche
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted by shawnlsu
Member since Nov 2011
23682 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:13 pm to
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someone has to pay the piper

I wholeheartedly agree. Mail your checks to this Piper.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38892 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:17 pm to
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i worked in undergrad (cushy on campus job as part of my scholarship, which is where i found out about this site <3)

i didn't have any real debt after undergrad, but took on a good chunk for law school. even then, i had a 75% off scholarship and didn't ride super high on the hog. i didn't work (should have, but whatever)

i have lived very "small" since i got out. thanks to this board i knew the 2008 crash was impending so i moved back to LC b/c i had a (shitty, but entry-level) job waiting. lower COL (hell i moved back in with my mom for a year until i was settled). paid off my car ASAP to avoid a note to help with SL. when i hit a few bigger licks later on, i devoted a metric shite ton to my debt (highest interest level first). no real vacations.

i'm now finally at a point where i have invested in myself and firm enough to where my firm looks to be long-term profitable and i'm about to really begin to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor-risk and living so "low" for a fricking decade after law school


This is probably why we are often so similar. I know we are generally close in age. I had 0 debt for my BA via scholarships. But I went to get my MA because I wanted to be a college professor and....



That's what happened with my debt.

I lived slim for awhile to payback everything as fast as I could. And I did. No real vacations. Few times "living the life," while i saw friends pile on their debt and not hold back.

Now, I'm in a super good place as well. But I understand where I was, and why I did what I did. And I get why people take on tons of debt.
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 8:20 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:21 pm to
yeah i built my poker bankroll up and i can devote time to that as a second job and get an extra $5-15k/year while doing something i enjoy. i have some conflict with the gf who i think see is at pure gambling. i don't want to be a dick but i really am going to have to drop the "look at our financial situations and who has made better historical financial decisions" card at some point if she doesn't relent
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 4/4/18 at 8:56 am to
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Some degrees should be cash only, no subsidized loans of any kind.


I don't think there should be federally backed loans of any kind.

I don't care how the schools handle loans on their end.
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