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re: Who is the GOAT of all U.S generals?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:41 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:41 pm to RollTide1987
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So it is your contention that Chesty Puller didn't lead his 1st Marine Regiment in fruitless frontal assaults against fortified Japanese positions on the island of Peleliu, thereby losing 1,749 of his 3,000 men in just 10 days of combat?
Nope.
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Posted on 9/28/23 at 7:47 pm to Truama_dawg
Chester Nimitz
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:08 pm to TheeMerryWidow
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Hauled those cannons over frozen icy bodies of water. One of those cannons broke through and sank. They recovered it and kept trucking.
Just incredible. How do you go about extracting a cannon sunken into a frozen river in the late 1700s? It’s truly one of the story book moments on history of an outrageous plan executed to perfection and with incredible consequence.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:09 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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So it is your contention that Chesty Puller didn't lead his 1st Marine Regiment in fruitless frontal assaults against fortified Japanese positions on the island of Peleliu, thereby losing 1,749 of his 3,000 men in just 10 days of combat?
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Nope
You’re going to have to do better than that it’s well documented that the 1st Marines were virtually destroyed at Peleliu. Have all the records since 1944 been falsified?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:10 pm to Truama_dawg
Not even close.....George Patton (his supply chain could barely keep up with his advance)
This post was edited on 9/30/23 at 9:00 am
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:13 pm to Darth_Vader
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You’re going to have to do better than that it’s well documented that the 1st Marines were virtually destroyed at Peleliu. Have all the records since 1944 been falsified?
Yours is an error of omission.
That'll happen when you get your "well documented records" from Wikipedia.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:18 pm to Truama_dawg
Hal Moore
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yours is an error of omission.
What the hell are you talking about? Omission and revision are not the same thing.
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That'll happen when you get your "well documented records" from Wikipedia.
How about the book Peleliu 1944 by Jim Moran and Gordon Rottman? In it they write: "By the end of D+4 the 1st Marines existed in name only, having suffered 1,749 casualties - six fewer casualties than the entire 1st Marine Division lost on Guadalcanal."
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:39 pm to Truama_dawg
Robert Edward Lee.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:40 pm to Zarkinletch416
It's a close race between Grant and Patton. Grant because he won wherever he went. Starts at Ft Donaldson, then saves the Union arse at Shiloh.What he did with the Vicksburg campaign is nothing short of remarkable, then for an encore goes to Chattanooga and kicks an entrenched Bragg off Lookout Mountain. Then is smart enough to unleash Sherman on GA.
Then finally against Lee, he correctly bets that Lee cannot withstand continuous engagement. He wore Lee out just like he did with Vicksburg.
Patton was the master of logistics and tactics and strategery . The Sicily campaign was unexpected.....and smart.
Ike was smart enough to give Patton 3rd Army and the sit back as Patton rolls up the Germans in the breakout.
What he did at Bastogne was nothing short of remarkable, especially with the logistical support he was able to marshall.
In many ways he and Grant were alike in terms of philosophy. Always stay on the offensive, don't give an inch.
Then finally against Lee, he correctly bets that Lee cannot withstand continuous engagement. He wore Lee out just like he did with Vicksburg.
Patton was the master of logistics and tactics and strategery . The Sicily campaign was unexpected.....and smart.
Ike was smart enough to give Patton 3rd Army and the sit back as Patton rolls up the Germans in the breakout.
What he did at Bastogne was nothing short of remarkable, especially with the logistical support he was able to marshall.
In many ways he and Grant were alike in terms of philosophy. Always stay on the offensive, don't give an inch.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:46 pm to beachdude
Inchon was inspired......and crazy, and the right call. He offloads his entire invasion force in about 2 hours because of the tides.
North Koreans needed new underwear, among other things, that day.
North Koreans needed new underwear, among other things, that day.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:49 pm to RollTide1987
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Omission and revision are not the same thing.
FFS.
"Error of omission" and "historical revisionism" are not mutually exclusive.
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How about the book Peleliu 1944 by Jim Moran and Gordon Rottman? In it they write: "By the end of D+4 the 1st Marines existed in name only, having suffered 1,749 casualties - six fewer casualties than the entire 1st Marine Division lost on Guadalcanal."
What did they have to say about the CG of 1st MARDIV?
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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What did they have to say about the CG of 1st MARDIV?
They both rightfully criticized Rupertus and Puller for the way they conducted their actions on Peleliu. Rupertus and Puller were both reassigned to non-combat roles immediately after the battle came to an end. Rupertus would not get the opportunity to reignite his reputation the way Puller did as he died five months later from a heart attack.
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 8:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Yours is an error of omission. That'll happen when you get your "well documented records" from Wikipedia.
Pathetic. You contend that what I and 87 have said about the 1st Marines at Peleliu is false and all you can do to back up your claim is a rather lame insult about relying on Wikipedia.
Well, alright then, here, how about the records form the Marine Corps itself…
marines.mil
I’ll refer you to pages 16 & 17 where it discusses the 1st Marines at Peleliu…
Please note where it details how, under the command of Col. Lewis B. Puller, the 1st Marines landed on Peleliu Island on 15 September 1944. Also please note how it states that on 23 September, only eight days later, “with only a handful of its men left on their feet”, the 1st Marines were pulled off the line and relieved by the 321st Infantry from the Army’s 81st Infantry Division.
Do you suppose the historic record of the 1st Marine Regiment compiled in 1968 by the G3 Division HQ of the Marine Corps relied on Wikipedia?
This post was edited on 9/28/23 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:00 pm to RollTide1987
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They both rightfully criticized Rupertus and Puller for the way they conducted their actions on Peleliu. Rupertus and Puller were both reassigned to non-combat roles immediately after the battle came to an end. Rupertus would not get the opportunity to reignite his reputation the way Puller did as he died five months later from a heart attack.
Cool.
So..."his leadership [of] the 1st Marines at Peleilu was nothing short of criminal" is complete bullshite.
Appreciate the assist.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:02 pm to Darth_Vader
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Pathetic. You contend that what I and 87 have said about the 1st Marines at Peleliu is false and all you can do to back up your claim is a rather lame insult about relying on Wikipedia.
Incorrect.
My only contention has been that you're an idiot for saying "his leadership the 1st Marines at Peleilu was nothing short of criminal."
You've done nothing to contradict that. In fact, you've adamantly reinforced that assertion.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:07 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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My only contention has been that you're an idiot for saying "his leadership the 1st Marines at Peleilu was nothing short of criminal."
It’s obvious you’re emotionally tied to Chesty Puller as the legend of the 1st Marines. You can’t actually form a coherent argument against anything I or 87 have said on the matter, which we’ve backed up with actual records, including the Marine Corps itself. Instead all you can do is resort to petty insults. I hope you realize how this makes you look.
Frankly, you’re acting like a woman and making a complete arse of yourself in the process. I’m embarrassed for you.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:09 pm to Darth_Vader
It's probably best that you continue to duck your initial statement.
Like I said, historical revisionism. If you don't know what that means, maybe head back to Wikipedia.
Like I said, historical revisionism. If you don't know what that means, maybe head back to Wikipedia.
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:14 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's probably best that you continue to duck your initial statement.
I’m starting to see reading comprehension is an area you’re sorely lacking. Nowhere have I ducked my initial assessment of Chesty Puller’s piss poor performance at Peleliu. I’m sorry you can’t control your emotions on the matter enough to look at the matter objectively.
Again, you’re making a complete arse of yourself
Posted on 9/28/23 at 9:15 pm to KiwiHead
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Grant because he won wherever he went. Starts at Ft Donaldson, then saves the Union arse at Shiloh.What he did with the Vicksburg campaign is nothing short of remarkable, then for an encore goes to Chattanooga and kicks an entrenched Bragg off Lookout Mountain. Then is smart enough to unleash Sherman on GA. Then finally against Lee, he correctly bets that Lee cannot withstand continuous engagement. He wore Lee out just like he did with Vicksburg.
Hell of an argument for the ole quartermaster. His problem solving and boldness in taking Vicksburg is incredible. Grant showed an ability to pivot strategies again and again as needed.
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