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re: Who here was whipped as a child but doesn't whip their own children now?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:38 pm to slackster
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:38 pm to slackster
quote:I don't follow. We're talking about parents that do spank vs parents that don't so I don't follow the logic you're going with.
A child that is more defiant, anti-social, aggressive, etc is more likely to get spanked, no?
Basically, your logic is that your kid that you said you spank and every other poster who spanks their kids are more defiant, anti-social, and aggressive than my kids and other posters' kids in this thread that don't spank their kids, right?
A kid who is spanked isn't necessary "worse" than a kid who isn't spanked. It may simply mean one parents spanks, and the other doesn't.
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:49 pm to shel311
quote:
Basically, your logic is that your kid that you said you spank and every other poster who spanks their kids are more defiant, anti-social, and aggressive than my kids and other posters' kids in this thread that don't spank their kids, right?
I'm saying that a kid who legitimately has these issues is likely to have a parent who has resorted to spanking. Not everyone who is spanked has these problems, but many of the people with these problems likely had parents who spanked them when nothing else was working.
You don't let a kid fall off the deep end without going through every kind of discipline you could imagine.
Like the psychologist said, these studies can't control for that. Correlation does not equal causation.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:56 pm to toosleaux
I did until I realized it wasn't working on my kids (10g, 8g, 6b). Stopped about a year ago. No negative change in behavior or their response to correction so far.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 6:58 pm to reddy tiger
quote:
did until I realized it wasn't working on my kids (10g, 8g, 6b). Stopped about a year ago. No negative change in behavior or their response to correction so far.
Which is the key to any discipline. If it doesn't work, don't continue using it.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:02 pm to toosleaux
I grew up in the 80s and early 90s. Everybody I knew growing up received arse Whoopins.
All of them.
Not a single parent I know now whoops their kids arse except for me and my wife.
Not one.
All of them.
Not a single parent I know now whoops their kids arse except for me and my wife.
Not one.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:12 pm to Hangover Haven
quote:
got my arse beat with a belt, wouldn’t ever do that to my kids...
I got whipped with a belt on bare arse. It worked on me and my brother. I will whip my children the same way if need be when the times comes.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:37 pm to shel311
quote:
Also interested in you moving the goalpost on me being "owned" when you realized studies have shown the causal link when apparently you didn't realize that, hence, the "owned" comment.
at you claiming I've moved any goal post. Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:50 pm to CoachChappy
quote:
Sure do, I did it last night. That's because I instilled a little fear early on.
Such a badass
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:18 pm to shel311
quote:
Other than that...owned!!!!
Don't forget about your ignorance regarding reasoning and if-then.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:21 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Ok, so you can't reason with a child under "x" age (not sure what this one is, as various ages have been proposed). This is of course contrary to childhood development professionals. Children only understand if/then of spanking (which does not imply any reasoning whatever), and if you don't spank kids, they will turn out to be assholes.
Most of that is a complete misrepresentation.
Good work.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:
Oh yes, we are well aware of that.
Then why melt about it? I'm not giving more effort than you give. That's not how it's ever going to work.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:23 pm to TJGator1215
Oh.
quote:
As in many areas of science, some researchers disagree about the validity of the studies on physical punishment. Robert Larzelere, PhD, an Oklahoma State University professor who studies parental discipline, was a member of the APA task force who issued his own minority report because he disagreed with the scientific basis of the task force recommendations. While he agrees that parents should reduce their use of physical punishment, he says most of the cited studies are correlational and don’t show a causal link between physical punishment and long-term negative effects for children.
“The studies do not discriminate well between non-abusive and overly severe types of corporal punishment,” Larzelere says. “You get worse outcomes from corporal punishment than from alternative disciplinary techniques only when it is used more severely or as the primary discipline tactic.”
In a meta-analysis of 26 studies, Larzelere and a colleague found that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time out (Clinical Child and Family Psychology Review, 2005). Larzelere defines conditional spanking as a disciplinary technique for 2- to 6-year-old children in which parents use two open-handed swats on the buttocks only after the child has defied milder discipline such as time out.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:24 pm to shel311
quote:
studies have shown
Wrong.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:45 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I mentioned the research done with respect to causality, and you responded to that post without addressing that, only saying that I lost because I defended my stance.
at you claiming I've moved any goal post.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Wrong
LINK
quote:
The study, which uses a statistical technique to approximate random assignment, indicates that this increase in behavior problems cannot be attributed to various characteristics of the child, the parents, or the home environment -- rather, it seems to be the specific result of spanking.
"Our findings suggest that spanking is not an effective technique and actually makes children's behavior worse not better," says psychological scientist Elizabeth T. Gershoff (University of Texas at Austin), lead author on the study.
quote:
Pairing the children in this way yielded two groups of children whose main difference was whether their parents had spanked them, effectively accounting for other factors that could plausibly influence the behavior of both parent and child. This approach allowed the researchers to approximate the random assignment of participants to groups, a hallmark of experimental design.
To gauge children's behavior problems over time, Gershoff, Sattler, and Ansari examined teachers' ratings when the children were 5, 6, and 8 years old. Children's teachers reported the frequency with which the children argued, fought, got angry, acted impulsively, and disturbed ongoing activities.
The results were clear: Children who had been spanked at age 5 showed greater increases in behavior problems by age 6 and also by age 8 when compared with children who had never been spanked.
quote:
"Although dozens of studies have linked early spanking with later child behavior problems, this is the first to do so with a statistical method that approximates an experiment," she concluded.
Ima let you hold that L again.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:52 pm to shel311
quote:
only saying that I lost because I defended my stance.
For someone that constantly acts intellectually superior, this is a pretty ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:54 pm to LNCHBOX
Still ignoring the study I mentioned and saying you didn't move the goalposts.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:57 pm to shel311
quote:
studies have shown
Nope. Still wrong.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:00 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:Troll Schtick is troll schticking.
Nope. Still wrong.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:04 pm to shel311
You were wrong. Get over it.
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