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re: What must it be like to grow up surrounded by a wind farm in the Midwest?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:43 pm to Snoop Dawg
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:43 pm to Snoop Dawg
quote:Solar isnt, out technology just isnt there yet for it to be a viable replacement source. advancement in panels have come a long way but still need a ton more. But power storage(batteries) is where the real advancement needs to happen. Lithium to solid state to carbon chain are the big jumps. But yes nuclear is the best power source we have and they should be building power plants everywhere.
Wind / solar are pork barrel boutique energy sprawl. They are proof the green movement doesn’t care about the environment. Nuclear is far and away the greenest energy source.
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:43 pm to billjamin
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What's the trade off? the aesthetics of the land?
Sure.
Ranchers do not love industrial strength windpower.
They like money.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:44 pm to billjamin
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And I, nor anyone around me gives a flying frick about it being green.
This is what the OT at large fails to grasp time and time again. Between EVs, solar, wind etc they are convinced it’s some damning gotcha that these technologies have some level of negative environmental impact. Most of the people investing in or utilizing these technologies aren’t doing it because it’s “green” and with each passing day this matters less and less.
I’ve said it before: Massive EV adoption on the consumer level will have VERY little to do with it being green and will have a lot more to do with EVs simply being the better option vs ICE.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:45 pm to fightin tigers
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I think the Martha's Vineyard study even showed they didn't even kill birds.
You dont find it odd that john kerry is pushing for all of this stuff yet is against them in marthas vineyard?
or that he flies around a private plane going to all of these climate conferences making his carbon footprint on one flight more than the average american per year?
i dont know, that seems like a bigger wtf to me than birds dying.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:46 pm to Korkstand
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. I don't even use the term "going green".
Good. Because windpower is not green. LINK
Green energy subsidies are pretty much a scam. There's a simple solution to long term energy demands and it has nothing to do with wind.
It is a cool feel good measure and a lot of gubmint money in your pocket though.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:49 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Most of the people investing in or utilizing these technologies aren’t doing it because it’s “green” and with each passing day this matters less and less.
the populous votes for this because of it being "green".
Ted Turner pushed this shite on his news channel because he legit thought we were all going to become cannibals due to global warming.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:50 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Massive EV adoption on the consumer level will have VERY little to do with it being green
Yes, government quotas are all "consumer choice."
There is no gubmint pressure, this is all consumer level decisions...
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:51 pm to weagle99
good for the enviroment they are . asise from a few pigeons getting whacked ,they provide nothing but good things to the enviroment and its CLEANER energy .Very hard to argue against that no c mon
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yes, government quotas are all "consumer choice."
Where have the quotas been implemented?
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Ranchers do not love industrial strength windpower.
In the realm of options to provide enough income to sustain an operation, its one of if not the the most preferred. Minimal land usage, small footprint, they keep up the infrastructure (i.e. roads), long term contract with steady cashflow. It's less volatile than most and offers small land consumption.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:02 pm to massilsu
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and its CLEANER energy .Very hard to argue against that no c mon
Now, if youre talking offshore wind power, its far more efficient and green than onshore without the environmental tradeoffs.
You can also combine the hardware with wave tech energy.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:05 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Where have the quotas been implemented?
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New California executive order requires that "by 2035, all new cars and passenger trucks sold in California be zero-emission vehicles."
LINK
Consumer choice..
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I am 100% for that . We are America and we should have any and all types of energy at our disposal always . But, the left is not the party of compromise as we have seen
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Oh a toothless executive order that’s 14 years away from implementation and can be rescinded, modified, or extended at any time in the next 14 years? That’s what’s driving EV adoption? Are you even trying?
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:15 pm to massilsu
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We are America and we should have any and all types of energy at our disposal always
New infrastructure bill has 6 billion for micro reactor development. That's our future.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Oh a toothless executive order that’s 14 years away
Look at this crawfish.
You weren't even aware of it, zippy. BTW: Biden is doing something similar with the government pushing incentives and their number is 50% by 2030.
Consumer choice..
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You weren't even aware of it, zippy
Wrong. We’ve had a shitload of threads on it. It’s a feel-good nothingburger at this point.
I asked where these quotas have been implemented. So far you’ve given me one quota that is 14 years away from implementation. shite you didn’t even give me that considering newsome’s EO doesn’t even set a quota. But you already knew that, right?
Again, you’re doing great.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:34 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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We’ve had a shitload of threads on it.
Evidently you have a shitty memory. Consumer choice isn't going to drive the E car industry. Not without bribing the public and forcing them to change.
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It’s a feel-good nothingburger at this point.
Interesting.
That's exactly how I feel about stop gap windpower.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Weird that you now remember, when a few minutes ago they didn't exist.
Some governor saying the state should have a goal to sell only EVs 15 years in the future is not an implemented quota like I asked for.
Can you show me where consumer EV adoption is a result of currently implemented government quotas?
You are being extra hackish today.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:46 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Can you show me where consumer EV adoption is a result of currently implemented government quotas?
Currently? None that I know of. Incentives? Heavily.
Right now, consumer choice is being influenced by another scam, government incentives which standard vehicles do not have.
Government mandates, not consumer choice will drive the EV industry.
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