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What is it like working in a Bureaucracy?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:48 am
I have a pal that is an executive level admin at a medium sized (250ish employees) regional health provider. Her biggest complaint is not being able to make any decisions without involving basically a team of other executive department heads who may or may not actually be directly involved with her program....
Is this the norm? Anyone have any first hand experience? I can see some advantages to this...maybe different expertise can offer up other points of view....but I can also see how things that could happen relatively quickly could instead really drag on...
Is this the norm? Anyone have any first hand experience? I can see some advantages to this...maybe different expertise can offer up other points of view....but I can also see how things that could happen relatively quickly could instead really drag on...
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:03 am to AUjim
My recent request to buy a desk for a room being converted into an office has been a greek tragedy. We are a unit of a larger organization
We constantly run into bureaucratic BS slowing us down. Multiple steps to accomplish mundane tasks.
Our payroll person has probably the most stressful job in our unit because people can literally have their paychecks delayed by "corporate" for 2-4 weeks under the most asinine of reasons.
I love my job but there are times where I'm simply not nice to the people holding my work up because the ID10T forms were not submitted in triplicate.
We constantly run into bureaucratic BS slowing us down. Multiple steps to accomplish mundane tasks.
Our payroll person has probably the most stressful job in our unit because people can literally have their paychecks delayed by "corporate" for 2-4 weeks under the most asinine of reasons.
I love my job but there are times where I'm simply not nice to the people holding my work up because the ID10T forms were not submitted in triplicate.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:25 am to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:37 am to Veritas vincit
What kills me is the bureaucrats think outside units are chock full of idiots because they don't know the rules for that particular part of the bureaucracy.
Each bureaucrat is an expert in their field and they expect you to be as well. The problem is they only need to be an expert in their field whereas normal employees have to be damn experts in EVERY bureaucratic process
Each bureaucrat is an expert in their field and they expect you to be as well. The problem is they only need to be an expert in their field whereas normal employees have to be damn experts in EVERY bureaucratic process
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:40 am to AUjim
I work in one. I get Lumberged like a mother fricker.
The upside: accountability getting nailed to one person is hard since so many people get involved. So you're not putting your neck on the line.
The downside: Takes forever to get anything done. You can visibly watch it crush the souls of the younger people when they're excited to make something happen and they can't. It feels like you're constantly babysitted for every little thing. Certain people love questioning every little decision. Lawyers get involved and you just scramble for weeks for nothing. You literally hate trying to do anything productive.
The upside: accountability getting nailed to one person is hard since so many people get involved. So you're not putting your neck on the line.
The downside: Takes forever to get anything done. You can visibly watch it crush the souls of the younger people when they're excited to make something happen and they can't. It feels like you're constantly babysitted for every little thing. Certain people love questioning every little decision. Lawyers get involved and you just scramble for weeks for nothing. You literally hate trying to do anything productive.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:49 am to Tigeralum2008
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Each bureaucrat is an expert in their field
And each one seems to know a different set of the same rules.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:02 am to AUjim
Once needed to open another field office for a large corporation I worked for. The specifications had a maximum monthly lease amount, and the space had to be at least a certain number of square feet, but it could not exceed a certain number of square feet. The best office we found was in excess of the allowed total square feet. We were required to hire a contractor to wall off some of the office space rendering it unusable to reduce the size down to what was allowable. Never did find out what the logic was behind the rule.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:27 am to BeerMoney
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You can visibly watch it crush the souls of the younger people when they're excited to make something happen and they can't. It feels like you're constantly babysitted for every little thing. Certain people love questioning every little decision
Is it like this at most large business, healthcare specifically? Or does anyone have experience in a larger place that has been able to remain nimble and responsive operationally?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:31 am to AUjim
It's the Peter Principle at work, combined with "The President has Mustard on his Chin"
Very tough when you get a boss who is less experienced, knowledgable and intelligent than the employees.
Very tough when you get a boss who is less experienced, knowledgable and intelligent than the employees.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:32 am to EA6B
Sounds like a USN rule to open a recruiter's office 
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:37 am to AUjim
Ever been in the military?
Try getting parts for a pacing item while down range during Sequestration. Better yet, throw in a government shut down.
Good times.
Try getting parts for a pacing item while down range during Sequestration. Better yet, throw in a government shut down.
Good times.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:38 am to AUjim
Sucks. As an admin on TD, I have to ask Chicken before I do anything.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 11:41 am to AUjim
While previously working for a firm, I was asked by a professional organization to attend a regional committee conference. All expenses, travel, lodging, food, etc were to be paid by the organization. The firm required that all travel expenses be approved. In this case, there were going to be no expenses but I was required to submit a "zero dollar" expense approval request. This was normally a 2 week process, but it happened at the end of the FY so it meant over 3 weeks. They could not approve it in time.
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