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What ever happened to the signature/recall JBE grass roots effort?

Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by Shuga4689
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:57 am
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:59 am to
I signed.
If the rest of the people in this state pissing and moaning would as well we could kick his stupid arse out.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48622 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:59 am to
That's a pipe dream. He'll be governor to the end of his term and Louisiana will continue to bleed middle class residents and businesses to stronger markets.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75223 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:06 am to
fallguy, you’ve been hearing about brain drain in Louisiana since the 90’s
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:11 am to
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fallguy, you’ve been hearing about brain drain in Louisiana since the 90’s

I think losing college graduates has been an issue for a long time but we are losing overall population as well now. I don’t remember that being the case until recently. I'm sure that's majority middle class people too.
Posted by jfw3535
South of Bunkie
Member since Mar 2008
4669 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:30 am to
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I'm sure that's majority middle class people too.

Well yeah, of course it is. The poors don't have the means or the incentive to move somewhere else. The only time we had a mass exodus of poors was after Katrina. You're welcome, Houston.
Posted by brewhan davey
Audubon Place
Member since Sep 2010
32798 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:33 am to
This brings up another point - are there any legitimate politicians in this state who would be a decent replacement/successor to JBE?
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:43 am to
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Well yeah, of course it is. The poors don't have the means or the incentive to move somewhere else. The only time we had a mass exodus of poors was after Katrina. You're welcome, Houston.

Louisiana is never going to compete with states like Texas but it's almost like we aren't even trying to compete with states like Arkansas, Alabama etc. Most of the South seems to be improving economically and we are treading water or declining.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75223 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:47 am to
See how much progress Raleigh/Durham, Huntsville and Chattanooga have made over the past 15 years compared with BR. All three of those cities are booming and people are moving into them, not leaving it like BR.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48622 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:55 am to
I can't really remember the last time this state had a big economic win that wasn't a plant or industrial project. I'm not shitting on those projects because they are typically good paying jobs that employ a lot of people.

You are going to have to grow other economic sectors though if you want to turn things around and I'm just not seeing it.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:58 am to
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I'm just not seeing it.


I’m not either
Posted by BadatBourre
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:06 am to
We don't have the education to bring in any other jobs and we aren't exactly tax friendly. Hard to bring in tech jobs when we keep pulling from the education fund every year to have a balanced budget.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48622 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:15 am to
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We don't have the education to bring in any other jobs and we aren't exactly tax friendly. Hard to bring in tech jobs when we keep pulling from the education fund every year to have a balanced budget.

We ranked ahead of Alabama in the education rankings in US News last year. I don't know how much stock I'd put in that report though.

Either way, our education spending per pupil is middle of the pack. We are ranked somewhere in the high 20s compared to other states. Perhaps we just spend our education funds poorly or we have massive administrative bloat?
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
11989 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:16 am to
So are there any solutions that would work for southern Louisiana ? I am not an economist so I don’t exactly how you improve education besides throwing dollars at it every year.

I often dream of Louisiana being better economically than any other southeastern state but Baton Rouge and New Orleans are controlled by politicians who have no answers except to keep things the way they are.

Seems like you have some people with money but a lot of have nots who do not produce much of anything. Is that ever going to change 20-40 years from now ?

I was born in Baton Rouge and I root for Louisiana to do well and become a better place to raise families and learn new things. I don’t think we are all pulling in the same direction though.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:30 am to
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So are there any solutions that would work for southern Louisiana ? I am not an economist so I don’t exactly how you improve education besides throwing dollars at it every year.


Charter schools seem to be working in NOLA, but not so much elsewhere.

I think the best way to fix it is by following Mississippi’s lead and focusing more on literacy in primary school. You’re not allowed to advance to 6th grade in Mississippi if you cannot read well. Studies have shown that students who don’t read well by the time they hit 8th grade tend to become discouraged, then disruptive, then drop out entirely. If you cannot read, everything gets way harder.

Mississippi did this about 8 or 10 years ago and went from dead last in education to mid teens in rankings with nearly identical demographics and less per pupil funding than Louisiana.

The next issue is taxation. We have to find a way to eliminate our state inventory and income tax systems. These are the areas that are so complex that they scare off investors, yet are so abusable, that large existing companies here don’t end up paying anything, and often get money back from the government.

The third issue is really a structural one. One would think that having nearly all power in the state consolidated at the state level would make it easier for businesses to know the rules to do business here, but it’s somehow worse due to our corrupt bureaucracy being more about sheltering locals from competitors than about fostering investment. This attitude trickles down to corrupt and/or incompetent local permitting offices and inspectors who either find any excuse to deny/shut down someone, extort entrepreneurs for bribes, pass off shoddy work as passing without a real inspection, or are just so slow that business basically get suffocated by delays and run out of runway before they can open.
Posted by The Midnight Rider
Where the River Empties
Member since May 2015
1576 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:33 am to
Investments in education is the long-term solution to literally every problem plaguing this state. But y’all baws keep pushing for those plants to stay open, I’m sure that’ll help in the long run.
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48622 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:38 am to
We rank 29th in spending per pupil. Why aren't we already ranked higher in education if it's simply a funding issue? Where are these educated citizens going to work when they leave school?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:40 am to
Who do you think is paying the property taxes which fund the schools at the local level? It’s small retail businesses, businesses that contract with plants, and the plants. The state funding comes from casinos and the lottery. AP schools wouldn’t be any better than St. John Parish or Assumption Parish schools without the plants pumping money into the system.
Posted by Uptowner
The OP
Member since Oct 2019
2030 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:58 am to
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What ever happened to the signature/recall JBE grass roots effort?


It's right over there, behind all the "Trump still gone win this thing" frickery.
Posted by shiftworker
LP
Member since Dec 2011
5103 posts
Posted on 11/20/20 at 11:00 am to
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we just spend our education funds poorly or we have massive administrative bloat




Nailed it!
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