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re: What are examples of “institutionalized racism” ?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:48 am to Armytiger87
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:48 am to Armytiger87
Me and my AWC never get cast in ebony porn.
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:52 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Revamp welfare by morphing it into a well thought out UBI program for everyone
I agree with revamping welfare but to think UBI would work is hilarious. It may work for a well educated Nordic population. These people (both black and white) would blow through their UBI on non essential purchases and then just complain that they still don’t have enough.
Giving people money doesn’t solve anything. We need to have social safety nets but we also have to give people purpose in life.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:55 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I agree with revamping welfare but to think UBI would work is hilarious. It may work for a well educated Nordic population. These people (both black and white) would blow through their UBI on non essential purchases and then just complain that they still don’t have enough.
Everything would just become more expensive. It’s not even economic theory, it’s just common sense.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:55 am to LegendInMyMind
quote:Yep.
You should probably start locking your doors when any pedestrian walks by. shite people come in all colors, baw.
And they all gonna catch a clip-fulla-holla-tip equally.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:56 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I agree with revamping welfare but to think UBI would work is hilarious.
Will just ensure fewer graduate HS.
You have to tie achievement to funding or it will not work.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 10:59 am to Sneaky__Sally
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lack of resources, bad systems / goals, pushing everyone to "college", lack of focus on trade school programs, lack of quality counseling, etc.
A school with more resources per child should have more resources. No?
What specific resources are lacking at an inner city schools? Why are they lacking?
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Education is also largely dependent on home life
I agree with this. Do kids read at home? Do kids do homework? If you want a child to be better than average, is the child putting in more effort than the average child?
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so we would need kids to feel safer at home, less stressed out and hopeful of an accessible path forward.
So we shouldn't tell kids that standardized tests are racist?
We shouldn't have affirmative action at colleges which would have a new student question his/her worth or merit?
We shouldn't tell kids that cops are out to get black people and will shoot them if given an excuse?
Do you think that would alleviate stress on children?
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:03 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I agree with revamping welfare but to think UBI would work is hilarious. It may work for a well educated Nordic population. These people (both black and white) would blow through their UBI on non essential purchases and then just complain that they still don’t have enough.
That really hasn't been found to be the case through the limited case studies. Giving direct cash assistance in African nations has been shown to be more helpful than other aid methods.
And again, you have to think of it long term - if we give it to everyone and funded via primarily a VAT and rerouting other current spending (look at Yang's proposal), then its going to be paid for largely by the companies who currently pay very very little in taxes and who largely don't employ very many people relative to their portion of GDP. So something like 80% country shouldn't have any issues in terms of putting in more than they take out relative to current rates.
But if that money helps as I said an extra 15% of people who are getting left behind (personally, i think that is a low estimate, but for just discussion sake), then those 15% now join the pool of people whose children are provided with strong opportunities. If in the next generation we take an additional 15% people who would normally get left behind we are systematically chopping away at gulf. And you can get all that without major changes to the taxing system for most of the country - AND people are still able to become mega billionaires, be extreme winners in the society, so it shouldn't really hurt innovation much.
I don't expect people to fully be on board, i'd encourage everyone to do some research on the studies done thus far and think how could improve their lives and their children / family. I thought UBI was idiotic when I first heard of it but it has tons and tons of benefits beyond this.
Letting people have some basic money to start businesses (we are at a historic of entrepreneurship even before COVID), take a chance on a new fulfilling job / start-up as they have some income to fall back on, have money to take trade school classes, college courses if their current job leaves them on a tight budget, spend more money on local business and activities to help charge up local retail economies, etc.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:04 am to Sneaky__Sally
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But, the interesting part IMO is that if you look at it long term (and that is the only way to look at this, things cannot be changed in the short term), the impact is theoretically compounding. If we take this generation, and put more resources into their hand - lets say we get an extra 15% success rate over those who would have succeeded anyway - then the kids of those people have a much, much stronger change of success. In addition, we get the same extra 15% over and above the people stuck in that same situation, you can extrapolate that out and in a few generations we are seeing far higher percentages of success and far higher percentages of equality of opportunity for each generation born.
I don’t think your argument is systemic racism, it may be classism (not sure appropriate term). Poor folks are gonna struggle to succeed equally no matter race in today’s time. There was actually a podcast I heard a few years back where there is so much money and effort put into inner city schools especially minority areas and poor whites have actually been completely abandoned. He brought up that poor white schools are closing down at an extreme rate and very little funding or help goes into those schools.
I’d like to know your ways to go about fixing the education system not what needs to be fixed but how to fix it. Throwing money at it hasn’t helped. I’m not against putting money down if I know it’s gonna help though. Many times the problem is the people in charge of that money. Buying a bunch of laptops, building pretty fountains outside, and a new weight room isn’t gonna fix our education.
The big elephant in the room will always be home life. The parent has to care
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:06 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Giving direct cash assistance in African nations has been shown to be more helpful than other aid methods.
Because corruption is rife in Africa. The same will not apply here.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:08 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Giving direct cash assistance in African nations
Major difference than here. Folks who truly grow up in a struggle appreciate the help and use it to their advantage. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. And like I said in my post above, a big part goes into who is allocating the money given out. There are some brain dead folks running these schools, unfortunately, especially minority schools. Even at the college level look at Grambling. Albeit Gallot seems to be doing good
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:08 am to Robin Masters
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I agree with revamping welfare but to think UBI would work is hilarious. It may work for a well educated Nordic population. These people (both black and white) would blow through their UBI on non essential purchases and then just complain that they still don’t have enough.
Everything would just become more expensive. It’s not even economic theory, it’s just common sense.
Yes but even when adjusting for some level of inflation and what people would be paying into the system, studies show that something like the bottom 80% - 85% are well off overall.
Again, I'd encourage people to research the studies out there. The proposals have tons of benefits from both conservative and liberal sides - one big one is that it doesn't inhibit the opportunity for someone receiving it to pursue work as current welfare does. I think it helps people see more potential as they can work and really start bringing some income in on top of the UBI.
I have to go get some work done, not expecting to convince anybody but hoping some may keep an open mind. I'm a conservative independent btw if that means anything to anyone.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:09 am to Sneaky__Sally
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oh and the guy asking for stats on the racial disparity in low level weed crimes - here is a recent report on the subject. Says blacks are 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for it despite similar levels of use. I haven't read the whole thing but it lines up with what I think many people have seen in their own lives.
oh and the guy asking for stats on the racial disparity in low level weed crimes - here is a recent report on the subject. Says blacks are 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for it despite similar levels of use. I haven't read the whole thing but it lines up with what I think many people have seen in their own lives.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:11 am to windshieldman
I think both are present in different degrees - we are in a huge huge mess IMO. corruption at all levels of gov't / etc. I just am hopeful we can think of new ways to look at how the country operates.
IMO, the same old same old isn't working for the majority of the country.
I'll check back in later after I get some work done.
IMO, the same old same old isn't working for the majority of the country.
I'll check back in later after I get some work done.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:16 am to AlwysATgr
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Your question is a fair one except you need to state what society you're presupposing.
If all society is a football game or track meet or something else blacks excel in, then black.
So you think ALL blacks excel in football and track? Kind of missing the point there, don't you think?
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If one thinks the very structures in place in America are engineered (intentionally so or not) by white supremacy, then one has to explain why other ethnicities from around the world seem to have few reservations about immigrating here and why the white engineered structures only work in oppressing native born blacks?
Like Asians maybe? Or Middle Easterners? Or Mexicans? All of these groups will tell you they met with a lot of racial biases/systemic racism when they came here. But if you are coming from a war torn, or poverty stricken, or religious persecution shithole, this country looks great, even with the racial biases. There are documentaries that detail the history of this. Black people may be the most affected, but no where near the only ethnicity affected.
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Why are they not successful in oppressing other ethnicities?
What rock have you been living under? And does it matter if the oppression is "successful" or not? The Chinese will tell you they suffered through years of racial oppression. Were some successful in spite of it? Yes. Have some black people been successful in spite of it? Yes. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Asian Americans
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:16 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Again, I'd encourage people to research the studies out there. The proposals have tons of benefits from both conservative and liberal sides - one big one is that it doesn't inhibit the opportunity for someone receiving it to pursue work as current welfare does. I think it helps people see more potential as they can work and really start bringing some income in on top of the UBI.
Which is what welfare was supposed to do and there were reams of studies which supported that claim as well.
To me it’s common sense but I know that isn’t exactly how people think anymore.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:18 am to Sneaky__Sally
What countries still do UBI and how long have they been doing it?
I'm not aware of any "success stories". There are a ton of failures (even recent ones).
I'm not aware of any "success stories". There are a ton of failures (even recent ones).
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:31 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Giving direct cash assistance in African nations has been shown to be more helpful than other aid methods.
I’m not saying I’m against it. But this is just a completely different situation. We already know that African immigrants perform differently in this country. How UBI would work in our culture I believe would be completely different.
If it will be tried it should be tried on the state level first as an experiment.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 11:51 am to Armytiger87
All of the answers below appear to be wrong. Examples of institutionalized racism include:
Lower quality and\or funded schools in predominantly black areas which perpetuate lower education scores which have a long term impact on lifetime earnings;
Racial profiling by police for stop and frisk searches;
The fact that a black guy can walk down the street, get stopped by police and put in choke hold and end up dead or chased by two yahoos and get shot while jogging, while white supremacists can walk into the Michigan capital holding assault rifles and everyone acts like everything is okay here;
Judges giving longer sentences for the same crime to a black defendant than a white defendant;
Schools letting a white kid off the hook (when they have an active parent in the school) where a black kid gets suspended, expelled or sent to alternative school for the same behavior (I have seen that one myself).
There are many more. I am not black, so I cannot comment about all of the institutional racism they face, but these are some obvious ones.
Lower quality and\or funded schools in predominantly black areas which perpetuate lower education scores which have a long term impact on lifetime earnings;
Racial profiling by police for stop and frisk searches;
The fact that a black guy can walk down the street, get stopped by police and put in choke hold and end up dead or chased by two yahoos and get shot while jogging, while white supremacists can walk into the Michigan capital holding assault rifles and everyone acts like everything is okay here;
Judges giving longer sentences for the same crime to a black defendant than a white defendant;
Schools letting a white kid off the hook (when they have an active parent in the school) where a black kid gets suspended, expelled or sent to alternative school for the same behavior (I have seen that one myself).
There are many more. I am not black, so I cannot comment about all of the institutional racism they face, but these are some obvious ones.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:07 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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oh and the guy asking for stats on the racial disparity in low level weed crimes - here is a recent report on the subject. Says blacks are 3.5 times more likely to be arrested for it despite similar levels of use. I haven't read the whole thing but it lines up with what I think many people have seen in their own lives.
It does say that.
My problem with this argument is that any disparity automatically equals racism. There could be a million reasons why blacks are arrested more for marijuana, why does it have to be racism?
Blacks commit murder 16x more than whites. Is that because of racism? No one is standing there pulling the trigger other than the shooter. And pro active policing isn’t finding black murders more than white murders.
70% of the nba is black. That’s a huge disparity. What are your chances of making the nba being black vs white? Why is this disparity not considered racism?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 12:20 pm to Verbal Kent
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Lower quality and\or funded schools in predominantly black areas which perpetuate lower education scores which have a long term impact on lifetime earnings;
False, inner city schools tend to have the most funding
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Racial profiling by police for stop and frisk searches;
Dramatically reduced crime and made life safer for the average black person.
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The fact that a black guy can walk down the street, get stopped by police and put in choke hold and end up dead or chased by two yahoos and get shot while jogging, while white supremacists can walk into the Michigan capital holding assault rifles and everyone acts like everything is okay here;
False. People in Michigan weren’t committing a crime or resisting arrest
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Judges giving longer sentences for the same crime to a black defendant than a white defendant;
Also false when controlled for criminal records. Obama DOJ admitted this.
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Schools letting a white kid off the hook (when they have an active parent in the school) where a black kid gets suspended, expelled or sent to alternative school for the same behavior (I have seen that one myself).
More likely to misbehave.
The Justice and Education Departments recently released their annual report, “Indicators of School Crime and Safety.” Black students self-reported being in a physical fight at school at over twice the rate of white students in 2015—a data point certainly relevant to the question of racial rates of school discipline. Schools that were 50 percent minority or more reported weekly gang activity at nearly ten times the rate of schools where minorities constituted 5 percent to 20 percent of the population. Reports of gang violence in schools with less than 5 percent minority populations were too low to be usable statistically. Widespread weekly disorder in classrooms was reported in schools with at least 50 percent minority populations at more than five times the rate as in schools with 5 percent to 20 percent minorities. More than four times as many high-minority schools reported weekly verbal abuse of teachers compared with schools with a less than 20 percent minority student body. Widespread disorder and teacher abuse at schools with less than 5 percent minority populations was again too low to be statistically reliable. These facts are also relevant to judging the likelihood of student misbehavior and resulting discipline.
As U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Gail Heriot shows in a forthcoming report, the rate of chronic truancy (defined as 18 or more unexcused absences) was five times higher for black elementary school students in California than for white students.
And finally, Whites are disciplined way more than Asians. Using your logic, Why do we not say whites are discriminated against?
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There are many more. I am not black, so I cannot comment about all of the institutional racism they face, but these are some obvious ones.
No. There aren’t. You need to do your research.
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