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re: Was the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:22 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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was so unacceptable about the way they wanted to surrender
But you admitted earlier you don't even know the way they wanted to surrender prior to the bombs?
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Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Yes. Drop that fricker. Twice.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Centinel
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To second guess the actions of the men who were fighting the war? Most certainly.
Okay cool, so nobody can have an opinion on anything unless it's their line of work or they have first hand knowledge of whatever situation is being discussed. Got it.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:23 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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That we dropped the bombs is not my issue, the false narrative that we dropped them to save a million soliders from having to invade the mainland is.
Prove it false, with something other than read my OP.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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mean i think using the bombs as a show of force against the Russians isn't the worst idea in the world so i don't know i would have done anything differently.
That we dropped the bombs is not my issue, the false narrative that we dropped them to save a million soliders from having to invade the mainland is.
Answer the god damn question. How would we have gotten an earlier surrender?
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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Prove it false
read my OP
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:24 pm to castorinho
Yes it was necessary
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:25 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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How would we have gotten an earlier surrender?
by accepting keeping the emperor which we did anyway.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:25 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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that's the spin version Really???? They were ready to accept an unconditional surrender prior to the dropping of the atomic bombs? Link please?
Hey. Provide link to where Japan was ready to accept unconditional surrender prior to dropping A-Bomb, or your entire premise is BS.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:25 pm to CptRusty
read my OP
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Okay cool, so nobody can have an opinion on anything unless it's their line of work or they have first hand knowledge of whatever situation is being discussed. Got it.
You can have an opinion, but it's worthless.
I mean I can go give an opinion to an engineer on his latest project, but it means exactly jack shite since I'm not an engineer.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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accepting keeping the emperor which we did anyway.
Keeping him as a figurehead or in control? 2 very different things
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Centinel
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You can have an opinion, but it's worthless.
I mean I can go give an opinion to an engineer on his latest project, but it means exactly jack shite since I'm not an engineer.
I guess we should shut down TD.com then
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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read my OP
your wrote a wall of text and provided ETA: 5 links.
No thank you. If the information I'm asking for is in there please point me to it.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Centinel
He's also talking out his arse as we agreed not to bring a god emperor down to manhood. We got what we wanted. We were the authority in Japan. The people made themselves a new government and the emperor became a tourist attraction on a slightly higher level than Sitting Bull.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:26 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Keeping him as a figurehead or in control? 2 very different things
figurehead in both scenarios
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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quote: You keep saying this but it did not.
LINK
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Since the enactment of the 1947 Constitution, he has been a ceremonial head of state without even nominal political powers.
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Did you really just link the emperor of Japan wiki page? And it says this....
How exactly does that prove your point?
Please show me where Japan was ready to accept the above constitution before the bombs
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The role of the Emperor as head of the State Shinto religion was exploited during the war, creating an Imperial cult that led to kamikaze bombers and other fanaticism. This in turn led to the requirement in the Potsdam Declaration for the elimination "for all time [of] the authority and influence of those who have deceived and misled the people of Japan into embarking on world conquest". In State Shinto, the Emperor was believed to be a Arahitogami (a living god). Following Japan's surrender, the Allies issued the Shinto Directive separating church and state within Japan. Current constitution Edit The constitution provides for a parliamentary system of government and guarantees certain fundamental rights. Under its terms, the Emperor of Japan is "the symbol of the State and of the unity of the people" and exercises a purely ceremonial role without the possession of sovereignty. The constitution, also known as the "Constitution of Japan" (????? Nihonkoku-Kenpo, formerly written ????? (same pronunciation)), "Postwar Constitution" (???? Sengo-Kenpo) or the "Peace Constitution" (???? Heiwa-Kenpo), was drawn up under the Allied occupation that followed World War II and was intended to replace Japan's previous militaristic and quasi-absolute monarchy system with a form of liberal democracy. Currently, it is a rigid document and no subsequent amendment has been made to it since its adoption.
How exactly does that prove your point?
Please show me where Japan was ready to accept the above constitution before the bombs
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
They got my granddad out of a fricking prison in Japan, so I'm ok they were dropped when they were
Posted on 4/17/18 at 4:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I guess we should shut down TD.com then
Yes, because football is on the same level with decisions made during a global war over 70 years ago.
This post was edited on 4/17/18 at 4:28 pm
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