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re: Video of the 12 y/o shot by cops last weekend
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:12 pm to DanTiger
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:12 pm to DanTiger
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Sounds like poor parenting. I am a hell of a lot older thn you, ore orange tip pistols, and I was told not to run around with a fake gun and never point it or draw it around an officer. I knew this at 5yrs old
Sure you were. Bet you had that talk around three when you got your first cap pistol.
And orange tips weren't on pellet guns genius.
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Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:51 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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And orange tips weren't on pellet guns genius.
Orange tips did not exist on my youth so they weren't on anything.
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Sure you were. Bet you had that talk around three when you got your first cap pistol.
Not at 3 but as soon as I was old enough to play with toy guns.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 7:57 pm to DanTiger
There has always been a backlash against police from the black community, that's nothing new. But just in the last decade or so there's increasingly a huge backlash from the white community..... There's obviously a reason for this. You guys aren't just harassing minorities anymore, it's spread to whites too. That's when shits going to start changing. Everyone I know are educated, TAX PAYING, hard working citizens and they all feel this way.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:02 pm to lsut2005
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There has always been a backlash against police from the black community, that's nothing new. But just in the last decade or so there's increasingly a huge backlash from the white community..... There's obviously a fricking reason for this. You guys aren't just harassing minorities anymore, it's spread to whites too. That's when shits going to start changing.
Not really but believe whatever you wish. What you read on message boards does not accurately represent the feelings of the majority of our population. Young anarchists have strong representation on message boards.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:05 pm to lsut2005
It's really not debatable that minorities, especially young black men, are at a disproportionate disadvantage when it comes to run ins with police. The only people that still argue that it isn't true are white people (of which I am one) who don't want to face the uncomfortable facts that racism still exists and that we have a problem as a country with the way we treat people who don't look like us.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:07 pm to DanTiger
Haha young anarchists? The vast majority of people on this board are either college educated or work their arse off to make a decent living. Just like you and I. Way to generalize though.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:10 pm to HMTVBrian2
Totally agree about minorities. What I'm trying to say is that WHITES are increasingly having run in's with law enforcement over petty, non-violent crimes, which used to be overlooked. That's why the white opinion of police is starting to change. They're not only harassing minorities anymore.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:14 pm to lsut2005
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Totally agree about minorities. What I'm trying to say is that WHITES are increasingly having run in's with law enforcement over petty, non-violent crimes, which used to be overlooked. That's why the white opinion of police is starting to change. They're not only harassing minorities anymore.
I feel you.The militarization of police is scary tbh.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:18 pm to oleyeller
quote:their job isn't even top 10 dangerous in America. The danger is greatly overstated.
i just have several friends that are cops, and know what they deal with. It is a dangerous job and i guess i would rather them shoot first... than be shot first. When they get a call to a dangerous situation you really dont have time to ask questions, because if you do.. you could be dead. Cops catch a lot of crap on here, and i have bashed my share of them in the past, but they have a very dangerous job in this day and time and i really dont question any of their judgement in situations like this. the cop didnt create the situation, he just ended up having to deal with it. And im sure he didnt wake up in the morning saying he hoped he shot someone today, but part of his job puts him in those situations where it could happen.
It is easy to see from the video these cops are in over their heads and should be fired. Multiple cops in here have said what they did is likely against their training, well they did it. They also made a major mistake. The kid was dumb, as was the person that called 911 and the dispatcher. The dispatcher should be fired for leaving off the part about the gun likely being fake.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:21 pm to lsut2005
What your describing seems to have coincided with the rise of video cameras and cell phone cameras. The Rodney king riots would have never happened without the release of that video.
Makes me believe it's not necessarily a change in our attitude as much, or a change in police tactics, as it's just more awareness and documentation of their actions.
Dash cams were first, and body cameras shouldn't be far behind. It just makes sense to implement at this point. And I think it will help a lot.
Makes me believe it's not necessarily a change in our attitude as much, or a change in police tactics, as it's just more awareness and documentation of their actions.
Dash cams were first, and body cameras shouldn't be far behind. It just makes sense to implement at this point. And I think it will help a lot.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:24 pm to REG861
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They should be punished if they violated procedure, especially if they did so egregiously. I don't think anyone here believes this was some malicious shooting.
I agree with your first statement, not so much on the second one.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:27 pm to ALWho
I don't see it as being malicious. I see it more as incompetence, a failure in training tactics or just two cops that can't hack it. I don't think they woke up that day and said let me cap a black child. They got the call and the rush took over, they deviated from training and a kid got killed because of his and their mistakes.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:27 pm to oleyeller
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but they have a very dangerous job in this day and time
EVERYTHING IS GETTING WORSE ZOMG KIDS THESE DAYS, ITS WORSE THAN EVER
...............oh.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:29 pm to heartbreakTiger
At the same time I think we have to realize that racial prejudice is not always a conscious decision. The fact that it was a black kid probably did factor into it even if it was only a subconscious perception based on stereotype, that cop's personal experiences and feelings, etc.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:38 pm to HMTVBrian2
Do you think it factored more than the kid revealing a replica of a fire arm?
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:39 pm to HMTVBrian2
It is possible that a white child could have gotten a few extra seconds before the rookie unloaded into him. They might have taken different tactics and slowly tried to approach him under cover. That is making some big assumptions, just from the video I don't think it was malicious. It was a major failure in handling the call. The whole situation was pretty much botched by everyone involved, the kid for waiving a toy gun around in a park, the caller for panicking, the dispatcher for failing to include all details about the call, the cop driving for playing like this is GTA and running up into the grass, and lastly on mr. quick trigger.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:43 pm to heartbreakTiger
I'm not really trying to say it was a malicious decision, and that the guy saw a black kid and decided he was going to kill him. Maybe I worded it wrong.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:44 pm to baybeefeetz
its possible a kid of another race isn't shot within a second of lifting his shirt. I think that is a leap but its possible. Its more likely a rookie couldn't handle the job and his partner put him in a really bad situation.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 8:46 pm to HMTVBrian2
I see what you are saying and it is possible that it did play a part in this. I think people would be lying if they said the appearance of a person didn't change their thinking on how a situation could play out.
Posted on 11/26/14 at 10:20 pm to PuntBamaPunt
You can see the kid pull up his shirt like he's got the gun in his waistband.
This post was edited on 11/26/14 at 10:22 pm
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