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re: Vader’s Model Desk: Char B1Bis French Heavy Tank
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:20 am to HeadCall
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:20 am to HeadCall
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Then how did they lose!?!?!?
It was a combination of factors.
1. They tried to fight the war in 19140 like it was still 1918. Instead of concentrating their armor, they dispersed it among the infantry divisions. Thus, they rarely had enough armor in any one place to turn the tide.
2. Their logistics were terrible. The French lost more tanks by simply running out of fuel than to German guns.
3. Their entire battle plan played right into the German’s hands. Basically, when the Germans first launched their invasion, the French sent their best formations into Belgium to meet the Germans there. They did this because they didn’t want a repeat of 1914-1918 where the northeast of France was devastated by fighting. The French wanted this war to be fought in Belgium. But, what they failed to realize was the German force entering Belgium was was a trap to lure the French Army (along with the BEF) into being encircled. The real threat came from the south where the aim effort was coming through the Ardenne Forest. The French did react to this threat in the south with what forces they could muster (their best formations already being engaged up north in Belgium), but even here they misunderstood the Germans intentions. The French thought this German thrust intended to head toward Paris. But, once these German forces broke though the French defenses, instead of heading southwest toward Paris, they swung north and west and headed for the English Channel. There was little to stop them and the Germans were able to encircle an entire French Army Group along with the BEF. When this happened, the jig was up.

Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:25 am to Darth_Vader
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After the defeat of France, captured Char B1 (bis) would be used by Germany, with some rebuilt as flamethrowers, Munitionspanzer, or mechanised artillery.
Germans really excelled at recycling. If memory is working today the Type I and Type II of the early war were Chezh chassis or whole tank. I think the Type III (first with 50 mm then with 75mm) was the first 100% German tank designed and built by the Germans from top to bottom.
#1 VERY nice weathering on your work
#2 Have you ever done any Italian armor? The joke above about the surrender tank remind me of the joke when I was very young about the Italian armor.
5 speeds in reverse
1 speed in forward (just in case the enemy attacked from the front)
:)
Posted on 9/2/25 at 8:51 am to Cheese Grits
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Germans really excelled at recycling. If memory is working today the Type I and Type II of the early war were Chezh chassis or whole tank. I think the Type III (first with 50 mm then with 75mm) was the first 100% German tank designed and built by the Germans from top to bottom.
They did use the Czech Lt vz. 38 (renamed Panzer 38T) extensively both in its original configuration….
and later as open casemate tank destroyers in their Marder Series…
Later in the war, they’d use 38T hulls to build the Hetzer…
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#1 VERY nice weathering on your work
Thanks!
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#2 Have you ever done any Italian armor? The joke above about the surrender tank remind me of the joke when I was very young about the Italian armor.
5 speeds in reverse
1 speed in forward (just in case the enemy attacked from the front)
Yes! It’s hard to find, but I love building Italian armor.
(This one only came with German markings)
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:06 am to Darth_Vader
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That was the most heavily armored tank on the planet in 1940.
The KV-1 would like a word, comrade.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:06 am to Darth_Vader
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Yes! It’s hard to find, but I love building Italian armor.
I think that top one is a 40
The one underneath was (knew it but name not popping into my brain)?? More like a tankette than a tank. British had a similar vehicle with just a BOYS ATR or a Bren gun. 2 seater with enough to maybe break a tread but not enough to penetrate armor. Take pretty stout courage to be in one of them.
I think several of the actual Italian stuff used the captured French chassis as well as the Germans using it. French had some good bones for the early war, just went on top, not so good. Like the British Matilda, dang near impossible to kill but just had a 2 pounder till they finally upgraded with a 6 pounder.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:24 am to Darth_Vader
Vader does a good job of covering the strategic failures of the French, but the real reason for the French collapse and later the enormous Soviet losses was tactical, which he's hinted at.
The Germans practiced combined arms like no one else at the time. We would very quickly match, then exceed that capability as we gained air superiority later in the war. We still fight wars that way to this day, and it's why we would roll most nations on the planet, possibly all of them.
The Germans concentrated armor, air power, artillery, and infantry, AND more importantly, they coordinated them. In an era when most tank radios were 3-5 Watts and not very reliable, German tank radios were 30 Watts. We would later take that to the next level with our infantry handheld radios that were superior to early war tank radios. This air-land-logistics coordination is what is missing with the Russians today in Ukraine and the Soviets in 1941 as well. Some lessons are never learned. The Soviets, despite having hands down the best armor in the world, lost it at a rate of 10:1 and often as much as 20:1 because of failure to coordinate and tactics. The French were just a sneak preview.
The Germans practiced combined arms like no one else at the time. We would very quickly match, then exceed that capability as we gained air superiority later in the war. We still fight wars that way to this day, and it's why we would roll most nations on the planet, possibly all of them.
The Germans concentrated armor, air power, artillery, and infantry, AND more importantly, they coordinated them. In an era when most tank radios were 3-5 Watts and not very reliable, German tank radios were 30 Watts. We would later take that to the next level with our infantry handheld radios that were superior to early war tank radios. This air-land-logistics coordination is what is missing with the Russians today in Ukraine and the Soviets in 1941 as well. Some lessons are never learned. The Soviets, despite having hands down the best armor in the world, lost it at a rate of 10:1 and often as much as 20:1 because of failure to coordinate and tactics. The French were just a sneak preview.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 1:34 pm to Darth_Vader
Exactly. Building models is a great stress reliever for me. My favorite part of the build is weathering and super detailing.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 2:01 pm to TigerHornII
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The Germans practiced combined arms like no one else at the time. We would very quickly match, then exceed that capability as we gained air superiority later in the war. We still fight wars that way to this day, and it's why we would roll most nations on the planet, possibly all of them.
My son (history buff) and I took a day road trip on Friday. On the way back home he asked me a question about "WWII alternate history", or "How fast would it take the modern US military to have taken over Germany in WWII." So, I handed him my phone and at my suggestion he typed in a modern US military vs WWII Germany in chatgtp. He went down a pretty deep rabbit hole with it. I think the estimate it came up with was it would only take 2-3 months (maybe faster) to do what it took us over a year to do in 1945. One interesting scenario was the US landing troops not at Normandy but at the deep water ports of Wilhelmshaven and Hamburg. At that point you're only 300 miles from Berlin and you cut the head off the snake. I told him he should have it write up a script and make a youtube video about it.
Of course the next question he asked was... "What if the U.S., Britain, France, and Poland (with Modern U.S. Military Tech) Faced Stalin in WWII?"
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 2:03 pm
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