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re: US court sentences Ahmaud Arbery killer to life in prison
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:46 pm to Wally Sparks
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:46 pm to Wally Sparks
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Doesn’t matter since McMichael was no longer a cop and didn’t act in an official capacity.
You're the moron who brought what Arbery was thinking into the argument:
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Do you think he would’ve figured that out as a gun was pointed at him by non-police officers?
In his mind, he most likely thought he was dealing with a police officer.
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:51 pm to imjustafatkid
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In his mind, he most likely thought he was dealing with a police officer.
I suppose it depends on what one expects from the local police department, but in most jurisdictions where I have lived, if three middle aged dudes, soggy around the mid-section (probably have to curve the grade in Uvalde, Texas), climbed out of their personal pick-up trucks and accosted me, I don’t think my first reasonable expectation would be “these are police officers.”
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:52 pm to imjustafatkid
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wouldn't expect anyone to know that a citizen can only stop a criminal you have witnessed committing a crime if you know that criminal committed a felony or only if you stopped them immediately in that moment. That makes no sense at all.
What doesn't make sense about this? You believe citizens should be able to hold people at gunpoint just because they *think* someone else may have committed a crime.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:55 pm to dgnx6
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every crime is filled with hate.
Do you put even one second of thought in before speaking/typing?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:55 pm to QJenk
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What doesn't make sense about this? You believe citizens should be able to hold people at gunpoint just because they *think* someone else may have committed a crime.
Again, they knew he had committed crimes in that area. They did not know that he had committed crimes THAT DAY, but they had witnessed it previously. Yes, I do believe you should be able to hold someone you have witnessed committing a crime, and no I don't believe it has to have happened right at that moment.
In Georgia, however, both of those scenarios would apparently not have been legal in this case. I totally disagree with that.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:55 pm to imjustafatkid
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his mind, he most likely thought he was dealing with a police officer.
3 random guys in pickup trucks, with no police signage, wearing no type of police uniform.
Yet your assumption is that Ahmad believed them to be police?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:56 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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who wasn’t just out for a jog in Timberlands
Well he wasn't wearing timbs so you got that part right.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:56 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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I suppose it depends on what one expects from the local police department, but in most jurisdictions where I have lived, if three middle aged dudes, soggy around the mid-section (probably have to curve the grade in Uvalde, Texas), climbed out of their personal pick-up trucks and accosted me, I don’t think my first reasonable expectation would be “these are police officers.”
He had personally interacted with one of them in an official capacity. He knew one of them as a police officer.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:57 pm to QJenk
It just keeps getting worse with that guy’s posts in this thread.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:58 pm to QJenk
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3 random guys in pickup trucks, with no police signage, wearing no type of police uniform.
Yet your assumption is that Ahmad believed them to be police?
It isn't much of an assumption. He had interacted with one of them while performing his official duties. He knew one of them as a police officer from previous crimes he had committed and been convicted of.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:58 pm to NOLAtoABQ
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Is he supposed to wait for arbery to snatch the gun from him completely and point it at him before he can do anything?
Not a big fan of self defense are you?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:59 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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It just keeps getting worse with that guy’s posts in this thread.
It's true. I keep having to restate the same facts over and over to people who apparently couldn't keep reading the thread.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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before stopping someone they know has committed a crime.
They didn't know he committed a crime
Posted on 8/8/22 at 6:59 pm to imjustafatkid
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Again, they knew he had committed crimes in that area. They did not know that he had committed crimes THAT DAY, but they had witnessed it previously. Yes, I do believe you should be able to hold someone you have witnessed committing a crime, and no I don't believe it has to have happened right at that moment.
Exactly, hence why citizens arrest was inappropriate.
I believe it is bad precedent to say citizens can pull a gun out on someone because they match the description of a suspected felon.
Do you not see how that could go wrong?
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:01 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Not a big fan of self defense are you?
I guess it depends on the concept of self defense. Should you have the right to protect and defend your neighborhood from someone you know doesn't belong there and have witnessed committing crimes in the area previously?
I say yes. People in Los Angeles would probably say no, and that's why they have a rampant crime problem right now. I view the mindset of many in this thread as the precursor to that level of lawlessness. Cases like this send the message that you can not defend against known criminals.
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:03 pm to QJenk
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I believe it is bad precedent to say citizens can pull a gun out on someone because they match the description of a suspected felon.
Do you not see how that could go wrong?
Again, one of them absolutely knew Arbery. They didn't "suspect" anything. He was known to him. Your stated scenario does not fit this interaction.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:03 pm to imjustafatkid
What the McMichaels did BEFORE taking a single shot at AA is a crime in all 50 states.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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Cases like this send the message that you can not defend against known criminals.
Drunk, fat, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Fat frick.
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Oh so he was out for a jog?
Tell me you think he was just jogging or walking the neighborhood and try to defend that so you can show us how stupid you are.
You know there are actually people who are out for a jog or just sitting in their homes and get brutally murdered by gang violence or random violence everyday and it’s a lot more tragic than this situation.
You and the media only care about this story because of the picture you can paint, not because of Ahmaud.
So spare us your holier than thou bull shut
How much of a bitch do you have to be to regurgitate some fake made up bullshite and then respond like this when you're corrected
Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:06 pm to imjustafatkid
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Should you have the right to protect and defend your neighborhood from someone you know doesn't belong there and have witnessed committing crimes in the area previously?
There is absolutely no way this would spiral out of control into “if they look suspicious I can point a gun at them and commit false imprisonment.” No way whatsoever.
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