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re: Tulsa cop charged with first-degree manslaughter
Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:31 pm to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:31 pm to tgrbaitn08
I would have wanted my wife to shoot if that was her. Laws and safety protocals are in place to stop this from happening, those protocals were violated and she reacted in her best interests. #BPDL
I've seen enough videos where the person comes out of their vehicle firing without warning. Compliance, no dieance.
I've seen enough videos where the person comes out of their vehicle firing without warning. Compliance, no dieance.
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Posted on 10/11/16 at 9:45 pm to thegreatboudini
You ever notice during business hours how common sense posts get a lot of down votes after COB the upvotes increase.
Posted on 10/11/16 at 10:46 pm to BigSquirrel
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would have wanted my wife to shoot if that was her. Laws and safety protocals are in place to stop this from happening, those protocals were violated and she reacted in her best interests. #BPDL
I've seen enough videos where the person comes out of their vehicle firing without warning. Compliance, no dieance.
I've seen video where during a routine pull over, dude Comes out firing as cop walks up.
Hence, if a cop pulls over a drunk guy who is so drunk, he doesn't follow instructions well, then it is perfectly reasonable that as the cop approaches, she just shoots the dude.
I mean, ya know. Just to be safe.
This post was edited on 10/11/16 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:10 am to ShortyRob
I'm with you here. Scary how much power some want to give authorities.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:25 am to jbgleason
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. I truly wish we could go to full anarchy so all you pussy "boot licker" commenters could find out what it's like when you call 911 and no one shows
You people always come up with this anarchy crap when someone is critical of cop's behavior. It's all or none with you. It's this pre-schooler mentality that creates the rift between the the two sides. Being critical of cop's doesn't mean that you are anti-cop. It just means that you want them to do the right thing. Just like everyone else.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:42 am to tgrbaitn08
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A guy high on PCP, wondering around the middle of the hwy, claiming his car was about to explode, ignoring police officers commands and reaching into a vehicle, I'd say posed a legit threat.
How and at what point did they determine he was on drugs as opposed to being mentally ill or suffering from any one of a dozen different health problems that could make a person behave the same way?
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 12:49 am
Posted on 10/12/16 at 6:33 am to EA6B
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How and at what point did they determine he was on drugs as opposed to being mentally ill or suffering from any one of a dozen different health problems that could make a person behave the same way?
You think just because you're mentally ill that's going to protect you from getting shot for disobeying the police acting erratically and reaching into a vehicle that's supposably about to explode?
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:10 am to EA6B
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How and at what point did they determine he was on drugs as opposed to being mentally ill or suffering from any one of a dozen different health problems that could make a person behave the same way?
LOL, give me a break. This clearly shows you have little to no experience with people on drugs and the mentally ill. You can tell a difference. For one, mentally ill that are acting crazy normally do not have good hygiene and clean clothes but there are many other pretty obvious ways.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 3:38 pm to baldona
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LOL, give me a break. This clearly shows you have little to no experience with people on drugs and the mentally ill. You can tell a difference. For one, mentally ill that are acting crazy normally do not have good hygiene and clean clothes but there are many other pretty obvious ways.
This may come as a shock to you geniuses but the vast majority of people on drugs don't attempt to kill anyone. I mean, I suppose they might kill at a higher rate, but we really can't be in business of saying it's OK for cops to shoot people just because those people are MORE LIKELY to be dangerous but before they actually ACT dangerous!
Holy frick. American citizens are basically becoming fascist.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:20 pm to ShortyRob
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This may come as a shock to you geniuses but the vast majority of people on drugs don't attempt to kill anyone.
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I mean, I suppose they might kill at a higher rate,
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we really can't be in business of saying it's OK for cops to shoot people just because those people are MORE LIKELY to be dangerous but before they actually ACT dangerous!
So dangerous people have to try and kill you first. Interesting. Take cops out of the above quote and replace it with citizen. The self-defense statute in my state reads practically verbatim to the use of deadly force procedures for every agency in this state that I have seen. In other words, it does not matter that cops were involved. It matters that someone was put in fear of their life or serious bodily injury to themselves or others. Just like the story I linked earlier above where the citizen was found to have asserted the affirmative defense of self-defense.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:26 pm to Five0
quote:Well. Unless cops are now psychic also, the only way to know they're dangerous is for them to SHOW they are dangerous.
So dangerous people have to try and kill you first. Interesting.
Being slightly more likely to be dangerous is a pretty fricking bad standard for getting shot.
quote:OK.
Take cops out of the above quote and replace it with citizen.
If I'm walking down the street late at night in a bad neighborhood and I'm being trailed by 3 black men, they are MUCH more likely to be "dangerous" than the general population.
But, if I turn around and just shoot their arse for walking behind me, I'm guessing Five0 is gonna be slapping the cuffs on me.
Fear of bodily harm can't simply be a result of someone being overly scared absent a hard reason to BE scared.
The fact a person is erratic in their behavior wouldn't meet that standard for a regular citizen to shoot.
This is just stupid.
Let's say that when he "reached", there was a 30% chance he was reaching for a gun. Nah. frick it. Let's say it was 50% chance?
You're taking the position that a cop can SHOOT on a fricking 50% chance?
Well just frick that and anyone who thinks that's rational.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:28 pm to Five0
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So dangerous people have to try and kill you first.
And, there's a wee bit of a gulf between "no gun has even been demonstrated to be present" and "he's trying to kill me".
I mean frick. Just frick. If cops have that low a standard, they need to stop being cops.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 4:46 pm to ShortyRob
If she has the money to hire a competent attorney or hopefully the police union helps her out she'll get off and Tulsa will burn again.
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