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re: Traction Canes Baseball in Baton Rouge - Tryouts
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:55 pm to yaherrdme
Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:55 pm to yaherrdme
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There is a difference in being a traffic cop and not allowing a kid to look at the batter, that is just a robot programmer
The baserunner doesn't need to watch the batter ever. For the most part he should watch the baseball.
He should watch to see whether the ball is hit or not, and then he should follow the flight of the ball.
But saying a kid should look at the batter is wrong.
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:57 pm to yaherrdme
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yes 7-8 year olds have "undeveloped reasoning" .. is that unexpected ??..so you let them learn the game and develop the reasoning, not teach them to be robots... can the coach bat for them also ?.. the kid may get upset if they dont reach base... there is no harm in actually learning how to PLAY the game at an early age, rather than for a coach to show them how to WIN the game .. but this day and age everyone wants to bring home a 9$ ring on Sundays
So you advocate kids doing whatever they want based on how they read the ball.. Telling a kid when to go home from third in coaches pitch is not teaching them to be robots. Learning the game inquires actual instruction, which is exactly what the coach is doing by telling them when to go home so that they can learn what to do based off certain situations.
There is nothing more frustrating than coaching older kids to young adults who blow threw signs and do what they want all in the eyes of thats how they read the ball.
This has nothing to do about some ring but on actually teaching the kids the proper situational awareness needed to read balls correctly from an early age. If they are never taught and only given instruction or irritation after failed attempts then you will have a kid unwilling to take chances in the future or one that doesnt understand when not to go.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:25 pm to TROLA
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This has nothing to do about some ring but on actually teaching the kids the proper situational awareness needed to read balls correctly from an early age. If they are never taught and only given instruction or irritation after failed attempts then you will have a kid unwilling to take chances in the future or one that doesnt understand when not to go.
Obviously you've done it before because you seem to understand how things work.
You have to coach kids up by over coaching and then gradually turning them loose.
You over coach but explain to them how they need to begin doing it themselves. They gradually pick it up, some faster than others.
But you have to start somewhere, and I can testify to the fact that some little six year old is going to need the coach to tell them what to do in the beginning. Few are going to know when to run through first base or make a turn towards second on their own. Few are going to know they need to tag on a fly ball and watch to see if it drops when they are on third base, etc.
But eventually they will after you train them and then they will do it correctly automatically.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:30 pm to doubleb
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The baserunner doesn't need to watch the batter ever. For the most part he should watch the baseball.
He should watch to see whether the ball is hit or not, and then he should follow the flight of the ball.
But saying a kid should look at the batter is wrong.
I did not phrase that correctly... looking towards the batter to know where teh ball is going as opposed to looking sideways in to the ground at the 3B coach's hand and literally having no idea where the ball is going (even possibly to the side of your head)
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:33 pm to TROLA
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So you advocate kids doing whatever they want based on how they read the ball.. Telling a kid when to go home from third in coaches pitch is not teaching them to be robots. Learning the game inquires actual instruction, which is exactly what the coach is doing by telling them when to go home so that they can learn what to do based off certain situations.
OK.. at what age do you let them start watching the ball and not face sideways looking at the coach's hand ?.. is that a 12-13 year old technique ?
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:38 pm to yaherrdme
I cant claim the method you're describing is solid or not.. But I taught and my kids have been taught to watch the ball and listen.. Listening to the coach.. Its not a fast as raw reaction but it allows the kid to play free if he makes a mistake..
This particular team may have had problems with the listening aspect and therefore the coach choose a different method.. Especially on line drives.. Teaching kids to freeze on line drives is an ongoing difficulty into High School. To many coach pitch teams are moving on contact without the kid having any awareness of the ball actually in play.
ETA.. Kid pitch requires the kid to be on the bag until contact so I dont quite get why he would be turned sideways as they are taught to be in a runners position
This particular team may have had problems with the listening aspect and therefore the coach choose a different method.. Especially on line drives.. Teaching kids to freeze on line drives is an ongoing difficulty into High School. To many coach pitch teams are moving on contact without the kid having any awareness of the ball actually in play.
ETA.. Kid pitch requires the kid to be on the bag until contact so I dont quite get why he would be turned sideways as they are taught to be in a runners position
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/4/17 at 1:43 pm to TROLA
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I cant claim the method you're describing is solid or not.. But I taught and my kids have been taught to watch the ball and listen.. Listening to the coach.. Its not a fast as raw reaction but it allows the kid to play free if he makes a mistake..
This particular team may have had problems with the listening aspect and therefore the coach choose a different method.. Especially on line drives.. Teaching kids to freeze on line drives is an ongoing difficulty into High School. To many coach pitch teams are moving on contact without the kid having any awareness of the ball actually in play.
Fair enough, just my opinion overcoaching at the younger ages is just as harmful as undercoaching. There has to be a balance, so the kid will actually learn the game. I have seen numerous kids who were overcoached at 7-10 and were on "majors" teams, but then when they got older and had to think for themselves they had no natural instinct at all and were below average players.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:04 pm to yaherrdme
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I did not phrase that correctly... looking towards the batter to know where teh ball is going as opposed to looking sideways in to the ground at the 3B coach's hand and literally having no idea where the ball is going (even possibly to the side of your head)
I certainly agree with that.
There are times to look for the coach and times not to. The coach becomes less and less of a factor, but there is always a place for a base coach even in the Majors.
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:10 pm to bayoubengal225
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So red is the top team? With black and white following?
White is right. So, white should be the best team.
ETA: just an assumption
This post was edited on 8/4/17 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/4/17 at 2:11 pm to yaherrdme
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Fair enough, just my opinion overcoaching at the younger ages is just as harmful as undercoaching. There has to be a balance, so the kid will actually learn the game. I have seen numerous kids who were overcoached at 7-10 and were on "majors" teams, but then when they got older and had to think for themselves they had no natural instinct at all and were below average players
You are right about that. Too many robots, and not enough instinctive players.
Overcoaching is part of the problem and kids not playing sandlot ball is the other part.
Kids playing on their own is very beneficial. They learn to play with more instincts by not having a coach there.
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