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re: TPOS mother in New Jersey leaves 2 year old in hot car

Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:47 am to
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:47 am to
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You see a screaming, unattended 2 year old in a car and you are not going to do anything? You have no idea how long the child had been in the car or anything. You are just going to casually go into the store and find the parents?

Bull shite.


Why is the thought of going into the store and asking an employee to send out a message over the intercom such a ludicrous and non-viable option in this scenario again?

Police really didn't even need to be involved, whoever noticed it initially was troubled enough to call the police, but not to walk into the store and request an attempt to notify the mother?
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:50 am to
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Also, what the hell was her problem? She brought another kid inside the store? This 2 year old must have been chopped liver. Can you imagine your sibling and mother leaving you in the car going shopping?


I don't think it's a stretch to speculate that the kid was throwing a fit and that's why she was left behind- to simmer down. Busy-bodies see child throwing said coniption fit and get police involved.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:51 am to
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Why is the thought of going into the store and asking an employee to send out a message over the intercom such a ludicrous and non-viable option in this scenario again?


You don't know what condition the child is in or how long she had been in there. All you know is that she is screaming and unattended.

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whoever noticed it initially was troubled enough to call the police, but not to walk into the store and request an attempt to notify the mother?


From the story it looked like the cop was the one to notice first?
Posted by ManBearTiger
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:54 am to
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From the story it looked like the cop was the one to notice first?


If that's the case, I'm pretty sure slim jims are standard issue with cruisers, so why not choose the least destructive/traumatizing solution?

I guarantee seeing a stranger smash his way into your space is more traumatizing than waiting for mom to return.
This post was edited on 7/31/15 at 9:58 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:56 am to
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I'm pretty sure slim jims are standard issue with cruisers, so why not choose the least destructive/traumatizing solution?


That I cannot answer, but maybe he didn't have a slim jim..?

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I guarantee seeing a stranger smash his way into you space is more traumatizing than waiting for mom to return.


You can't guarantee this at all
Posted by DaTroof
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:58 am to
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Why is the thought of going into the store and asking an employee to send out a message over the intercom such a ludicrous and non-viable option in this scenario again?


The child is screaming at the top of her lungs. She is in distress. What happens if, while you stroll into the store and wait on the mom to respond to the intercom, the child goes limp and dies? It's a helpless 2 year old in distress screaming for help. Are people really this fricking stupid or are several people trying to troll this thread? You don't leave a 2 year old unattended in a car while you shop. Ever.
Posted by elposter
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:59 am to
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Police estimated it was at least 80 degrees inside the van


Looks like the temp was into the mid to upper 80s during the day in Hackensack, NJ yesterday. Even with the windows cracked a bit, that car could have easily been and probably was much hotter than 80. I think he did the right thing in getting the child out.

From the National Highway Safety Administration:

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When the outside temperature is 83° F, even with the window rolled down 2 inches, the temperature inside the car can reach 109° F in only 15 minutes. “Within the first 10 minutes the temperature in an enclosed vehicle will rise an average of 19 degrees or 82 percent of its eventual one hour rise.” In warm weather, a vehicle can warm to dangerous, life-threatening levels in only 10 minutes.

Very young children (age 4 and under) are particularly susceptible to hyperthermia. According to the Medical College of Wisconsin,

Children’s bodies have greater surface area to body mass ratio, so they absorb more heat on a hot day (and lose heat more rapidly on a cold day). Further, children have a considerably lower sweating capacity than adults, and so they are less able to dissipate body heat by evaporative sweating and cooling.


Notwithstanding the heat issue, I think it is inexcusable to leave a two year old unattended in public for any length of time. You can barely leave an awake 2 year old unattended in your own house for more than a few minutes. Who the frick leaves a two year old. But seriously, who the frick leaves a two year old alone in a Costco parking lot for what was clearly was a pretty significant length of time. Heat issue or not, that's ridiculous.
Posted by JAXTiger16
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:07 am to
I wouldn't leave my 2 year old in the car alone just in the fear of kidnapping.
Posted by BigDawg0420
Hamsterdam
Member since Apr 2010
7506 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:12 am to
It's the Chinese government's fault. This is their way of enforcing the one child rule
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:22 am to
Asian tiger mom just toughening up her kid
Posted by OGtigerfan73
Member since Feb 2015
709 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:33 am to
Leaving a 2 year old unattended in a car for any time more than a second or two is a form of child endangerment/child abandonment. People getting mad at the police officer are total pieces of crap. His job is not to do what is most convenient for the mom, it is to protect the safety of the child in this situation. Also why would you just tell the mom? Obviously she knew the child was in the van why would telling her change anything.. This looks to be her usual way of shopping with kids.
Posted by Grim
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:37 am to
Pussification of America. When I was 2 my mom would leave the heat on full blast in 110 degree weather and make me wear an altitude mask
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:41 am to
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Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85588 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 10:44 am to
My sister leaves her kids in the car routinely. She says if they don't like their arrangements they're free to go. I expect the 9 yr old to jet one day soon.
Posted by northLAgoomba
Grand Cane, LA
Member since Nov 2009
3979 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 11:28 am to
What a bunch of racist, culturally insensitive assholes! That's how they do it in China.
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