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Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:36 pm to LeClerc
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You're the one buying Putin's bullshite.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Most of you are too dumb to have a discussion without going to retarded statements like this.
You know it's entirely possible to understand why someone is doing something while not supporting what they're doing, right?
Who am I kidding, that's asking you to use too much brain power.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:46 pm to upgrayedd
Read Garry Kasparov:
New York Daily News
New York Daily News
quote:
Putin’s invasions of neighboring Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 were attacks on their nascent democracies, which he correctly saw as bad examples for the people of Russia. From assassinations in Europe with nuclear isotopes and nerve agents to election interference backing Brexit, Trump and extremist candidates across Europe, Putin has not stuck with his supposed ex-Soviet sphere of influence. This is what I meant when I wrote in 2007 that “Putin is our problem to solve, yes, but if he is unopposed, he will soon be a regional problem and then everyone’s problem.”
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:49 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Ukraine has no incentive to shell anyone and potentially spark a war.
The separatists due have an incentive to attempt to start a war. Especially if Russia is pulling back.
So my money is on the separTists
The separatists due have an incentive to attempt to start a war. Especially if Russia is pulling back.
So my money is on the separTists
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:01 pm to LeClerc
Ok, that's an op-ed, i.e., an opinion piece
Ok, if he really wanted to destroy these places, why didn't he roll into their capitals rather than slice off areas along the border inhabited by ethnic Russians?
Really, we're still going with the "election interference" bullshite?
The Germany turned right around and begged him to build a pipeline through the Baltic Sea so Germany could avoid EU regulation problems previous experienced by Russia in Europe.
quote:
Putin’s invasions of neighboring Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014 were attacks on their nascent democracies, which he correctly saw as bad examples for the people of Russia.
Ok, if he really wanted to destroy these places, why didn't he roll into their capitals rather than slice off areas along the border inhabited by ethnic Russians?
quote:
From assassinations in Europe with nuclear isotopes and nerve agents to election interference backing Brexit, Trump and extremist candidates across Europe, Putin has not stuck with his supposed ex-Soviet sphere of influence.
Really, we're still going with the "election interference" bullshite?
quote:
This is what I meant when I wrote in 2007 that “Putin is our problem to solve, yes, but if he is unopposed, he will soon be a regional problem and then everyone’s problem.”
The Germany turned right around and begged him to build a pipeline through the Baltic Sea so Germany could avoid EU regulation problems previous experienced by Russia in Europe.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:08 pm to Winnebago Tiger
Oh wow! Let’s just take a wild fricking guess who is to blame.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:13 pm to Winnebago Tiger
Both sides claim the other is planning a false flag.
Both sides claim the other attacked them, and both sides claim innocence.
Who could have seen that one coming
Both sides claim the other attacked them, and both sides claim innocence.
Who could have seen that one coming
Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:20 pm to upgrayedd
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So is yours. Mine just hasn't been formulated by what corporate media feeds me.
My bad, you've got it all figured out.Posted on 2/17/22 at 5:54 pm to upgrayedd
You are seriously defending Putin? He doesn’t have to roll into the capitals dumbass. He destabilizes the governments and installs a puppet regime and they’re his. You can’t be this dumb.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:00 pm to Winnebago Tiger
This is a textbook false flag operation.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:04 pm to LeClerc
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You are seriously defending Putin? He doesn’t have to roll into the capitals dumbass. He destabilizes the governments and installs a puppet regime and they’re his. You can’t be this dumb.
And what do you think the US does?
Want proof?
Here's John McCain at the Maidan telling protestors that the US stood with them. How would you feel if an extremely prominent, hawkish politician from China showed up at an anti-Trump rally in DC and told the crowd that the Chinese government stands with them?
You know how fricked up that is? Some Americans have absolutely no perspective on how their presence is perceived around the world.
Ukraine was a buffer between the NATO and Russia. Putin wants to keep it that way.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:12 pm to LeClerc
quote:
He destabilizes the governments and installs a puppet regime and they’re his.
It's as if this guy has ignored American foreign policy since 1945.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:22 pm to SCLibertarian
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It's as if this guy has ignored American foreign policy since 1945.
Hey, man. The media and their buddies in the government would never lie to us! We're always the good guys. If you don't believe that then you're just a Putin fanboy. We never do any nefarious things across the globe like meddle in foreign elections or install puppet regimes or overtly overthrow governments.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:24 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I'm not calling you a Putin fanboy.
Hey, man. The media and their buddies in the government would never lie to us! We're always the good guys. If you don't believe that then you're just a Putin fanboy. We never do any nefarious things across the globe like meddle in foreign elections or install puppet regimes or overtly overthrow governments.
However, when the entire planet minus China and Belarus is calling you out on your bullshite, then perhaps it's time to listen.
This post was edited on 2/17/22 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:30 pm to Palantir
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However, when the entire planet minus China and Belarus is calling you out on your bullshite, then perhaps it's time to listen.
What?
Sorry, the idea that the version of the event you've been told is the universal truth is beyond laughable. The universal consensus in March of 2003 was that Saddam had WMD's too.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:31 pm to upgrayedd
quote:So then you agree that Belarus, China, and Russia is correct on their stance, and everyone else is wrong?
What?
Sorry, the idea that the version of the event you've been told is the universal truth is beyond laughable. The universal consensus in March of 2003 was that Saddam had WMD's too.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:35 pm to Palantir
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So then you agree that Belarus, China, and Russia is correct on their stance, and everyone else is wrong?
The fact that you think that everyone but these people think the official narrative is completely true is very telling.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:35 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Answer the question.
The fact that you think that everyone but these people think the official narrative is completely true is very telling.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:37 pm to Palantir
quote:
Answer the question.
I don't believe the official line of any of these governments or their media mouthpieces.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:39 pm to upgrayedd
quote:So you don't believe NATO, or the U.N.?
I don't believe the official line of any of these governments or their media mouthpieces.
OK, your stance is noted.
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