re: Thoughts about joining Air Force?

Boomer dudes live the cake life equivalent to the surface navy. 3 months at sea, 3 months in port. Easy life, and they all have their own racks and a shite ton more space.

Us lowly fast attack guys are the dregs of the navy, can't be as PC as the surface fleet or boomers. Overworked, under appreciated, and generally just shite upon by the navy. Lots of shady shite from the brass directed towards fast attacks under the policy of "don't care how you do it, just get it done".

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That isn't how surface works at all....

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I realize that, I was more referencing watch rotations, quality of life etc. not deployment time.

I definitely chose sub community and would do it again, it's a pride thing. I'm just bitching to bitch.

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Boomer fig or real submariner?

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First boat was a Trident out of Kings Bay
Second boat was a fast attack out of Groton
Then did 2 on a sub tender out of Italy

No shore duty... I'm salty as frick

I definitely liked fast attack life better.

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2 years on the sub tender in Italy

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Sigonella was a very nice stop..

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dcpo

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Owned that one myself...

My Trident (1st boat) had 4 E-6s and probably 5 or 6 E-5s when I transferred to the Philadelphia (SSN-690).

When I got to the Philly as an E-5 there was 1 E-6 (LPO) and 1 E-5 that had just been promoted.

My chief said "Do you know damage control?"

Me - "yes"

Chief - "Good... you're the new DCPO. Do you know about maintaining the 3M binder?"

Me - "Crap"

Chief - "I take that as a yes... I need you to handle 3M also"

Literally the first day there I got half of A-gang's bullshite dumped on me. Their maintenance logs were all kinds of fricked up, the EOG didn't work, DC was all frickered up... but in an odd way I miss that kind of shite.

shite pumping GOD?

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Must have been Army. I've met quite a few gray-haired E-4's working with the LA Army National Guard. When I asked them about it they just laughed and said they had been busted down in rank many times. Basically if you hadn't been busted down at least once you ain't trying.

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In the active duty Army, any enlisted person above the rank of E4 that is "busted down" to E4 may as well begin making their plans to separate from the service, because they won't be on active duty for long.

The "retention control points" and "bar to re-enlistment" regulations force you to either get promoted or separate.

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If you feel like the AF is for you, then do it. But what you are feeling, is what everyone at your age feels. You are starting to realize that bitches, blow, and 10 million in the bank is not in your future, and real life is a terrible grind. That will not change no matter what job you have. So research the AF, but you are going to have to grind the next 30 years of your life, and we all hate it. Cheers, buddy.

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This. Best advice I've seen so far.

I'm all for the military, especially the Air Force (my dad did 14 years) but you have to do it for the right reasons, and the OP just sounds like he might be bored.

Well, it wouldn't be a mistake, I'll give you that. And it's a job so there's that too. I've always been told that if you "play the game right" (basically don't be a frick up) it's virtually impossible to come out worse off than when you went in.

Just remember, the officer commitment is 4 years...6 if you're a pilot/WSO/Nav (last a looked a few years ago...maybe different today).