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re: This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:53 am to Breesus
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:53 am to Breesus
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There isn't one.
Violence is a part of our existence. It's going to happen. It's a brutal and tragic fact of reality. And the more freedom we have the more likey such an event may happen. But I do not agree that we should sacrifice our freedoms in response to a specific event.
The guy could've taken household products, made a bomb, stuck it in a book bag, and taken out more people at an assembly. He could have driven a car into the school yard, he could've poisoned the lunches. He could have just started swinging with a hammer until someone stopped him. He could've stabbed a room full of people with a knife.
There's a million ways a lunatic can hurt people. Short of putting every kid in a secure isolated cell and cutting out all socialization there's no way to protect them from every possible occurrence.
If some psycho wants to hurt people he's going to do it. You cannot legislate that away. Whatever legislative road blocks you come up with, some psycho will find a way around it.
Giving up our freedoms and putting armed guards everywhere won't help.
I don't know the solution. But I do believe I know part of the problem. Mental health is abhorrently underfunded and misunderstood in this country. We have a problem with a lack of understanding of therapy, a massive over diagnosis and over prescribing problem, and a general lack of self awareness and responsibility in this country.
For some reason our society has decided to teach children and constantly reinforce into society the idea that nothing is your own fault, everyone is exactly equal, and anytime you have a problem it's because you're less than someone else. These ideals are dangerous. Teaching people that everyone is exactly equal and all problems are inherently someone else's fault is not only objectively false, but it creates an unsustainable world view. And when that view is shattered it rocks someone to their core. And there are some people who just cannot handle that foundation shake. And of those people there are some who lash out. That lashing out is a symptom. And you don't get rid of a problem by treating the symptoms.
Treating and discussing and legislating the symptoms rather than the underlying cause does nothing to help anyone.
Agreed in nearly every single aspect.
Mainly on not having a solution. But I do believe that these people only do this because they want the attention and high numbers. Arming more people and more training to reduce the numbers of unarmed victims makes the most sense to me. How to achieve that, who knows. But count me firmly in the corner of "The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:54 am to Indfanfromcol
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Self defense isn’t a good reason for owning a semi automatic rifle. That was just a dumb argument all together.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:54 am to Breesus
Okay then. Let’s compare Australia’s murder rate to New Orleans. Australia’s is a solid 1 per 100,000 people while New Orleans is at 56 per 100,000 people? You can blame it on the homogenous population, but you have to also attribute it somewhat to gun control. By the way, what ethnicity are most of these shooters?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:55 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Now you're just being intentionally dense. We're talking specifically about mass shootings
That's my point. In America we shoot people. In other countries they kill in other ways.
Violence is going to happened. You cannot ban violence.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:56 am to IceTiger
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No it's not...there are scores of home defenses annually with a semi auto rifle...
You want to deprive people that right?
A semi auto high powered rifle is the only gun that can be used to defend a home? Ok
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:56 am to Indfanfromcol
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Again, look at Australia. To own an automatic rifle, you have to show legitimate reasoning as to why you should own one. You can’t just buy one because you want it.
You can't just buy automatic rifles in America either.
Also, we do background checks and the super massive majority of gun owners are responsible.
I am not and will not be an advocate for taking away the rights of the many because of the actions of a few.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:57 am to RATeamWannabe
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Arming more people and more training to reduce the numbers of unarmed victims makes the most sense to me.
A gun in every kid's holster. I like it
Every single available statistic and trend refutes that opinion.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:57 am to Indfanfromcol
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By the way, what ethnicity are most of these shooters?
In America? Black. If you are talking just mass shootings it's white guys and Muslims.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:58 am to IceTiger
So you can legitimately make an argument that a semi automatic rifle is better than a pistol or shotgun in home defense?
Give me that scenario then. Because unless a small army is coming to raid your home, I easily seeing a semi automatic rifle being less effective as a use of home defense.
Give me that scenario then. Because unless a small army is coming to raid your home, I easily seeing a semi automatic rifle being less effective as a use of home defense.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:58 am to Indfanfromcol
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By the way, what ethnicity are most of these shooters?
I think he's advocating for booting all the white people out of the US. That's racist brotha.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:59 am to Breesus
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That's my point. In America we shoot people. In other countries they kill in other ways.
Violence is going to happened. You cannot ban violence.
Holy shite you are dense.
Read this, and then get back to me.
LINK
But of course, as most politicians and ignorant people will do, it's always someone or something else that's the issue, not the most obvious solution that's right in front of their face.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:59 am to Chucktown_Badger
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A semi auto high powered rifle is the only gun that can be used to defend a home? O
I want that motherfricker to be in fear right before he dies, so yes.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Yeah, and that’s why I said certain teachers. Not all.
We're on the same page.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:01 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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A semi auto high powered rifle is the only gun that can be used to defend a home? Ok
Yea, thats what I said.
Its the best option. Why would I want to be at the mercy of those that don't follow the law when they have one and I don't?
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A gun in every kid's holster. I like it
Ok, I see a pattern. Because I certainly didn't mention that either. lol, though.
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Every single available statistic and trend refutes that opinion.
How does every single mass shooting end?
When they run out of targets, or when someone else fight back?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:02 pm to Breesus
I’m all for Americans having rights. I think all drugs should be legal. If you want to OD on cocaine, go for it. Extra taxes on sodas or big gulps? Stupid and whatever politician that did that should be fired.
But we aren’t just talking about personal libirties. We are talking about weapons that can EASILY be used to kill others.
But we aren’t just talking about personal libirties. We are talking about weapons that can EASILY be used to kill others.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:04 pm to Indfanfromcol
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Let’s compare Australia’s murder rate to New Orleans.
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. The violence problem in inner cities is not because of gun laws.
You think if we got a wizard to make all guns suddenly dissappear then our projects and ghettos would suddenly have two parent house holds who teach their kids to value and education and refuse to rely on government handouts while giving back to their communities and strengthening their youth?
No. Because that gun violence is a symptom. It's not a problem. It's a symptom of a problem.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:04 pm to Indfanfromcol
I can easily kill someone with a chainsaw too.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:04 pm to Indfanfromcol
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So you can legitimately make an argument that a semi automatic rifle is better than a pistol or shotgun in home defense?
Give me that scenario then. Because unless a small army is coming to raid your home, I easily seeing a semi automatic rifle being less effective as a use of home defense.
You have absolutely no knowledge on firearm training and no desire to understand it. Maybe you understand math.
4 points of contact> 2 points of contact
30 rounds > 5 or 15 rounds
16in sight alignment > 3 inches.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:06 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Holy shite you are dense.
Read this, and then get back to me.
Is that link going to say that America is the only country in the world with a violence problem? Because that's your dumbfrick argument you keep defending.
Stop looking for the black and white frick you moment.
We're trying to have a discussion. I'm not trying to persuade you one way or the other. I'm trying to discuss my opinions and hear yours.
I'm not trying to win an argument with you and I won't indulge your little nonsense gotcha moments. It's an objective fact that America is not the only country will a violence problem nor is it the only country with a mass casualty problem.
It's impossible to have a discussion when you believe you're absolutely right and no one will ever have a good point.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:08 pm to TDsngumbo
So as a teacher, the government can’t afford to buy us pencils, working modern technology, or updated textbooks in halfway decent shape, but they can shell out millions for armed guards and training?
There already are armed police in public schools (at least in Texas). I’m not sure this is going to work
There already are armed police in public schools (at least in Texas). I’m not sure this is going to work
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