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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:12 pm to Corinthians420
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:12 pm to Corinthians420
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why do you care if someone hires an illegal immigrant? a job is worth what someone will do it for
Way to totally miss the point.
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:12 pm to Dadren
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And then those who pay the wages will raise prices of whatever they sell, leading to everything still being too expensive for low-wage employees to afford. What you’re saying does not solve anything. You’re not changing anything by making someone else responsible for the subsidy of those who don’t want to do more.
Production costs have zilch to do with market price. Basic economics. If they did there’d be no reason to manage production costs.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:14 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Production costs have zilch to do with market price. Basic economics.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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And when you do this across all low paying jobs, what do you think the end result is? The bums will be out of works since they will be too.expemsive for their limited skill sets, and we will be in on the hook for them via taxes while paying higher prices on goods and services. Making decisions based on continually funding losers is a fool's game. And that is why you are so fricking loud about it.
We’re already on the hook LOL. The only change is who’s signing the check. I understand that everyone opposed to this simple economic concept is good with the way things are so they can buy a Big Mac for $5 instead of $7 but the actual cost is $7….the $2 difference comes from taxpayers.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:16 pm to AwgustaDawg
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unfortunately I never mentioned lifestyle
Because you're avoiding it. I've given you multiple scenarios with questions, and you have no response. All you can type is "labor, crime, and on the dole" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
You're a broken record that refuses to face reality. People aren't tractors. Circumstances change. You have zero clue how to address that, so you ignore it. Do you want to live in the projects your entire life? How about a single wide in a shitty trailer park? Drive the same car? Have a family? Because tractors are perfectly fine being parked in the same shed it's entire existence. It doesn't get married to another tractor and have little baby tractors. It doesn't ask for a nicer trailer to get pulled in.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:17 pm to LNCHBOX
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Way to totally miss the point.
not at all.
you think a businesses job is to pay people what they will work for, even if it is a drain on society because we have to subsidize their employees through taxes.
if being a drain on society isn't a bad thing, you shouldn't care if they hire illegals at $4 an hour.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:19 pm to VADawg
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This is fricking retarded. You are saying that someone's salary should be based on their life choices instead of their on job production.
Not even close to what I am saying. I am saying that cost of living is based on life choices. Currently we pay for those choices with almost no say in the matter because we pay taxes. If employers paid you’d have a choice. You’re already paying the actual cost, you just like to think you’re paying the full cost at the cash register.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:20 pm to Corinthians420
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you think a businesses job is to pay people what they will work for, even if it is a drain on society because we have to subsidize their employees through taxes.
Got news for you.
If everyone was kicked off welfare wages would go down due to the influx of people needing to work to feed and house themselves.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:23 pm to BuckyCheese
Got news for you, the government will never kick everyone off welfare so what would happen if they did has no bearing on this discussion.
if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:26 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Why don’t you pay your employees what it costs them to produce?
Because their entire life is not my production cost like you claim. My production costs involve the work they do, not the life they live when they are off the clock. While making such a big argument about the humanity involved, you really do no describe people as anything more than machinery to be purchased and maintained.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:26 pm to Deactived
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"Boss, I just had a kid, I am going to need you to pay me more. Thanks" Thats what youre saying here?
Absolutely. That’s what the employee says to the taxpayer. The employer can let the employee go BUT presumably the employer needs a body… so the employer would have to replace the employee. That may be possible, it may not. Makes no difference….the next employee won’t be on the dole and the one with a new baby will be less costly to another employer with an employee with more dependents.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:28 pm to Corinthians420
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not at all. you think a businesses job is to pay people what they will work for, even if it is a drain on society because we have to subsidize their employees through taxes. if being a drain on society isn't a bad thing, you shouldn't care if they hire illegals at $4 an hour.
Illegals would be irrelevant in my world since immigration laws would be enforced. If a job is worth $4, it is what it is. Government doesn't need to be involved.
You really are going out of your way to not understand.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:29 pm to AwgustaDawg
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this simple economic concept
Its simple, sure. Simple-minded. Simply the worst idea of veiled communism I've read in a while. Simply doesn't hold up to added complexities of actual human life beyond "labor, crime, and on the dole."
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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Illegals would be irrelevant in my world since immigration laws would be enforced
but we aren't arguing your hypothetical world. we are talking about real life
anyway, good debate. I'm off to cook dinner, have a wonderful evening everyone
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:32 pm to Dadren
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So how about instead of simply moving the dole from the government to employers (which solves nothing societally speaking), we do away with it and tell people to actually earn what they need?
Amen brother preach! Do away with the dole. I have said that repeatedly. Workers would the be in a position to do EXACTLY what I’ve been saying all along….earn their nut though labor. They’d no longer be able to make their nut at their current wages and the employer would be forced to actually pay what it costs for them to produce. See, it ain’t that difficult is it?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:35 pm to Corinthians420
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but we aren't arguing your hypothetical world. we are talking about real life
I've already addressed the real world. You're too busy shite posting to read apparently.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:36 pm to stuckintexas
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ou're a broken record that refuses to face reality. People aren't tractors. Circumstances change. You have zero clue how to address that, so you ignore it. Do you want to live in the projects your entire life? How about a single wide in a shitty trailer park? Drive the same car? Have a family? Because tractors are perfectly fine being parked in the same shed its entire existence. It doesn't get married to another tractor and have little baby tractors. It doesn't ask for a nicer trailer to get pulled in.
A tractor also can’t commit a crime. People can. When they do we are on the hook for their cost of living. When they can’t pay their living expenses they many times resort to crime….but paying a little bit at the register and a little in April 15 is the important thing….
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:37 pm to AwgustaDawg
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tell people to actually earn what they need
Is not the same as what you are saying here:
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earn their nut though labor
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the employer would be forced to actually pay what it costs for them to produce
He was saying get out and EARN more money.
You are saying they should simply be GIVEN more money.
Those things are not the same.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:41 pm to Corinthians420
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why do you care if someone hires an illegal immigrant? a job is worth what someone will do it for
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why do you care if someone hires an illegal immigrant?
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illegal immigrant?
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illegal
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:49 pm to AwgustaDawg
You really have no hope. No hope for yourself. That's probably why your worldview of those above and below you financially are so warped. It's definitely the system holding you down.
BTW, did you ever tell me what business you own? How long you've been in business? What you do? How many slaves I mean employees you have? Where is your housing authority you pay for? Do you at least have covered parking for all those cars you're paying for? I'd hate to pay the deductible on a whole fleet of cars getting totaled by a hail storm. What's your grocery bill every week?
BTW, did you ever tell me what business you own? How long you've been in business? What you do? How many slaves I mean employees you have? Where is your housing authority you pay for? Do you at least have covered parking for all those cars you're paying for? I'd hate to pay the deductible on a whole fleet of cars getting totaled by a hail storm. What's your grocery bill every week?
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