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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:44 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:44 pm to AwgustaDawg
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In my scenario none of it would come out of yours unless you are a
And when you do this across all low paying jobs, what do you think the end result is? The bums will be out of works since they will be too.expemsive for their limited skill sets, and we will be in on the hook for them via taxes while paying higher prices on goods and services.
Making decisions based on continually funding losers is a fool's game. And that is why you are so fricking loud about it.
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:51 pm to LNCHBOX
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Perhaps they shouldn't work at fricking McDonald's if they have families to support. That job is not meant to support that lifestyle
It certainly is not. You’re correct. The issue is that McDonalds hires them, presumably because McDonalds needs the labor to remain in business. If McDonalds can hire enough teens with no dependents and no bills they are free to do so….and remember, I’ve said all along there should be no minimum wage….so McDonalds could do so for far less.
Currently a single parent with a dependent earning minimum wage is most likely on the dole also. And most likely will be as will the dependent. Keep in mind, I’ve also said repeatedly that the only people who should be on the dole are disabled people and kids. How it is so odd to say that employers ought to pay for their production costs and leave you alone but y’all are just insistent that y’all like subsidizing low wage employers income without much if any say in the matter.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:53 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The issue is that McDonalds hires them, presumably because McDonalds needs the labor to remain in business. I
Their stupid lifestyle choices are not their employer's responsibility. That is the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on this whole site.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:53 pm to LNCHBOX
Lol well if you are happy to foot that bill that's your right. Just don't bitch about welfare programs anymore since you have been saying for 2 days that you are happy to subsidize all businesses employee wages as long as it keeps the price of a big Mac lower.
Hell we might as well just pay foot their employees entire salary and we could probably get the cost of a big Mac dropped a dollar or 2 cheaper.
The government just prints that money anyway /s
Buncha big gov shills in here
Hell we might as well just pay foot their employees entire salary and we could probably get the cost of a big Mac dropped a dollar or 2 cheaper.
The government just prints that money anyway /s
Buncha big gov shills in here
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:55 pm to Corinthians420
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Lol well if you are happy to foot that bill that's your right.
I'll be paying it regardless. The current way costs me less. I'd be happy to do away with it all, but that would require letting the losers die off. Apparently that's not allowed in modern society, so I'll stick with what costs me less.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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Their stupid lifestyle choices are not their employer's responsibility. That is the dumbest thing I think I've ever read on this whole site.
You’re correct….unfortunately I never mentioned lifestyle, you did. Living is not a lifestyle, it’s a necessity. No one but you is talking about lifestyle.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:57 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I’m only saying we should require those who pay the wages to pay whatever the wages and the dole is….its only a matter of whose wallet it comes from.
And then those who pay the wages will raise prices of whatever they sell, leading to everything still being too expensive for low-wage employees to afford.
What you’re saying does not solve anything. You’re not changing anything by making someone else responsible for the subsidy of those who don’t want to do more.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:57 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'd be happy to do away with it all, but that would require letting the losers die off.
No you wouldn't.
If a business can't balance its books without the taxpayer picking up their wage bill, that is a loser business. You don't want that to happen.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:58 pm to AwgustaDawg
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You’re correct….unfortunately I never mentioned lifestyle, you did. Living is not a lifestyle, it’s a necessity. No one but you is talking about lifestyle
You fricking dummy.
Won't be wasting any more time responding to you.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:58 pm to LNCHBOX
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I'll be praying it regardless. The current way costs me less. I'd be happy to do away with it all, but that would require letting the losers die off. Apparently that's not allowed in modern society, so I'll stick with what costs me less
What would cost you less is employers paying their production costs themselves. You have little say in where your taxes go…it’s up to you where you spend your after tax income.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 5:59 pm to Corinthians420
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No you wouldn't.
Yes I would.
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If a business can't balance its books without the taxpayer picking up their wage bill, that is a loser business. You don't want that to happen.
My perfect world doesn't have businesses overpaying for losers. The job is worth what the job is worth. Losers either get better or they starve.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:02 pm to Dadren
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And then those who pay the wages will raise prices of whatever they sell, leading to everything still being too expensive for low-wage employees to afford. What you’re saying does not solve anything. You’re not changing anything by making someone else responsible for the subsidy of those who don’t want to do more.
Again, where is there any theory that states inflation is kept in check by paying bills out of 2 wallets instead of one? No one is going to have more money….the bills are being paid NOW. The only difference is where the money comes from….as it it’s coming from you and the employer. You have almost no say in that….youre paying taxes. If it came from the employer alone you would have complete control over where you spent money.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:04 pm to AwgustaDawg
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dole
This was on your Word of the Day toilet paper yesterday, wasn't it?
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In my scenario none of it would come out of yours unless you are a customer
We're all consumers, bud, even you. Hate to break it to you.
The rafter in your eye is that you do not recognize people have agency and are accountable for themselves. You put the blame on "low wage employers" because this removes accountability for your own circumstances. In your eyes, it's the employer's fault that person is getting govt assistance. You don't look at the individual and ask what they did to be in a bad position or what they've done to get out of it. I bet you have the same victim mentality about your own situation, saying, "IF MY BOSS WOULD JUST PAY ME!" Maybe pick a class that better fits your schedule, something dumbed down enough for you to pass, and something you can to work in right away.
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The point you’re missing or discounting is low wage employees make their nut now…through wages and the dole. I’m only saying we should require those who pay the wages to pay whatever the wages and the dole is….its only a matter of whose wallet it comes from. How on earth, if it takes $30k a year to live, say, could it make any difference to inflation whether that $30k comes from one wallet or 2? It’s still $30k. The cost of survival is inherent, it’s just a matter of which wallet it comes from.
It would no longer cost $30k/year to live! So, because I'm a successful business owner, do you think I'm just going to give away the wealth I have accumulated because you want more without doing anything for it? I've been in business for ten years, and it took me 16 years to get to that point. You want my shite just because you have no skills and can't pay your bills? Not just no, but HELL no. That is going right to the customer.
Every business owner in the COUNTRY will do that. Because I am doing what I am doing for my family, not yours. Regardless of what you think, I treat my employees very well. But at the end of my life, my family will be who benefits from what I leave them. It will not be given away simply because you couldn't pass programming classes and do what you needed to do to be where I am. frick that all the way off.
Move to California. You'll make more money there. You finally won't be held down by the man. Let us know how it works out for you.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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My perfect world doesn't have businesses overpaying for losers. The job is worth what the job is worth. Losers either get better or they starve.
Unfortunately you live in the real world and losers don’t starve you feed them and have almost no voice in the matter.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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My perfect world doesn't have businesses overpaying for losers. The job is worth what the job is worth. Losers either get better or they starve.
ok so you are fine exporting jobs to other countries where people will do it for less or with businesses hiring illegal immigrants that will do the job for $4 an hour? You don't think there should be a minimum wage correlating to cost of living, so what is the issue with people underbidding our costs of living?
If I can find someone to do the job for $3 an hour, thats what the job is worth.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:07 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I’ll never understand it
The only correct thing you've said in this entire thread.
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:07 pm to stuckintexas
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do you think I'm just going to give away the wealth I have accumulated
If you’ve accumulated your wealth by leeching off taxpayers as low wage employers do then no, I don’t think you’ll change. I suspect it’ll take the IRS to snatch your arse in line.
Why are you so proud of being a welfare recipient?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:07 pm to Corinthians420
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ok so you are fine exporting jobs to other countries where people will do it for less or with businesses hiring illegal immigrants that will do the job for $4 an hour? You don't think there should be a minimum wage correlating to cost of living, so what is the issue with people underbidding our costs of living?
Illegal immigrants should be deported. We wouldn't use them if.there wasn't some bullshite minimum wage. Is this supposed to be a gotcha?
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:09 pm to LNCHBOX
why do you care if someone hires an illegal immigrant? a job is worth what someone will do it for
Posted on 4/4/24 at 6:10 pm to stuckintexas
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Every business owner in the COUNTRY will do that. Because I am doing what I am doing for my family, not yours. Regardless of what you think, I treat my employees very well. But at the end of my life, my family will be who benefits from what I leave them. It will not be given away simply because you couldn't pass programming classes and do what you needed to do to be where I am. frick that all the way off.
How you treat your employees isn’t at issue, it’s the way you apparently abuse US taxpayers by accumulating wealth by leeching off the tax payer. Why don’t you pay your employees what it costs them to produce?
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