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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:48 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:48 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Its 35.8 by the way...
34.3 according to my google, but your 40 hour claim was only off by almost 15% which I'm sure you'll say is nothing
But hey, at least you got me on mixing up a word.
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:48 pm to sidewalkside
A friend of mine was Ludacris’ dealer.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:53 pm to AwgustaDawg
Your entire argument is that each individual has their own "minimal cost of living." A vague term you keep throwing out and saying it's different for everyone. Okay, well, now you're saying "Whoa, I'm not gonna pay for your lifestyle, bro." Does the single guy in his twenties have the same lifestyle as the guy with two kids? So now, you expect me to downsize my life while arguing that employers are responsible for every aspect of an employees life. My wife, daughter, and our ranch are aspects of my life, as well as my aging in-laws that we'll be taking care of in a few years. Do they not have "minimal costs of living" as well? You say you want to do away with all social welfare yet you expect private companies to become just that. If I work for you, I'll expect you to pay me enough to care and provide for ALL my dependents not just me. Otherwise, you aren't covering MY "minimal cost of living."
But that's too much for you because you're a hypocrite.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question. What's your company? How many employees do you have? What do you do? How long have you been in business? I think you're talking out of your arse.
But that's too much for you because you're a hypocrite.
By the way, you still haven't answered my question. What's your company? How many employees do you have? What do you do? How long have you been in business? I think you're talking out of your arse.
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Can't do it, can you??? I am right, aint I???
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:54 pm to RaginCajunz
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People don't get paid simply for being a person They are paid for completing a task/service. The payment is validation of the task being done, not the humanity of the person.
With all due respect people do indeed get paid for being people. Low wage jobs are ones that require a person. No skill, knowledge, experience or education is required. All that is required is a willingness to be where you're told when you're told and to do what you're told. The employer deems the value in that, not some government agency, not a market, the employer knows, or should know, what value that person brings and whether or not they can recoup the costs from revenue...but instead the employer is allowed to forego that last bit knowing that the rest of us will make the employee whole.
People also, according to many people here, get paid for doing frick all all the time. Of course they do not but many will argue til they are dead that there are a BUNCH of people being paid to sit on their asses and do nothing.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:56 pm to AwgustaDawg
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human beings are not commodities
They actually are.
And it's "people" if you are not a leftist.
Get a kick out of "human" being the chosen term now by a certain crowd.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:57 pm to AwgustaDawg
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People also, according to many people here, get paid for doing frick all all the time
My work is not based on how many widgets I get out in an hour. Not everyone is a burger flipper.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:01 pm to Dadren
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I think this is the problem.
If I’m understanding you correctly, your view of employment is closer to a form of slavery where an employer pays to possess an employee.
What I said in my very first reply to him several pages ago
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The value is not in the action, its in being a willing person. The person paying the other person validates that by paying them...they could very well sweep themselves, they could not sweep at all or they could vacuum. The person paying knows there is value, somehow, in the mere fact that the other person is a person.
I mean, this person could have been a willing person before I needed my floors swept…why am I obligated to pay them now that I need my floors swept as opposed to yesterday, or a month ago, or a year ago?
You’re saying the action has no bearing on the value, so why is the action now triggering this latent obligation that I have to pay them? According to you, their value add was always there, so shouldn’t I have been paying them already?
Shouldn’t I be paying everyone who is alive and willing to do any task?
You see how this falls apart rapidly with just some basic questions?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:03 pm to stuckintexas
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What I said in my very first reply to him several pages ago
I’m glad I’m not the only one feeling like I’ve been on crazy pills
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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34.3 according to my google, but your 40 hour claim was only off by almost 15% which I'm sure you'll say is nothing But hey, at least you got me on mixing up a word.
So it costs a person $10K a year to produce however many widegts an employer expects, wants or needs. If the normal work week in this country is 40 hours that's $4.81 and hour. If the median work week is 35.8 that's $5.37 an hour. If it is 34.3 its $5.61 an hour. No matter, average, mean, mode or median, its still $10K a year...math is not hard. Not at all....
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
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My work is not based on how many widgets I get out in an hour. Not everyone is a burger flipper.
I get it, someone's got to man the fry machine.....
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:06 pm to AwgustaDawg
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So it costs a person $10K a year to produce however many widegts an employer expects, wants or needs.
You are aware that not every business or position is structured like this right?
Ah who the frick am I kidding you probably wear velcro shoes
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
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So it costs a person $10K a year to produce however many widegts an employer expects, wants or needs. If the normal work week in this country is 40 hours that's $4.81 and hour. If the median work week is 35.8 that's $5.37 an hour. If it is 34.3 its $5.61 an hour. No matter, average, mean, mode or median, its still $10K a year...math is not hard. Not at all....
You need to explain just what you are trying to show here while I stifle a laugh.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
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So it costs a person $10K a year to produce however many widegts an employer expects, wants or needs. If the normal work week in this country is 40 hours that's $4.81 and hour. If the median work week is 35.8 that's $5.37 an hour. If it is 34.3 its $5.61 an hour. No matter, average, mean, mode or median, its still $10K a year...math is not hard. Not at all....
Why would the person be paying the employer? How high are you right now?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:10 pm to AwgustaDawg
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With all due respect people do indeed get paid for being people. Low wage jobs are ones that require a person. No skill, knowledge, experience or education is required. All that is required is a willingness to be where you're told when you're told and to do what you're told.
So they are in fact, doing something, yes?
And if they weren’t doing anything and standing around merely being people, they would be unemployed and not getting paid, yes?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:10 pm to Dadren
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I mean, this person could have been a willing person before I needed my floors swept…why am I obligated to pay them now that I need my floors swept as opposed to yesterday, or a month ago, or a year ago?
You’re saying the action has no bearing on the value, so why is the action now triggering this latent obligation that I have to pay them? According to you, their value add was always there, so shouldn’t I have been paying them already?
Shouldn’t I be paying everyone who is alive and willing to do any task?
You see how this falls apart rapidly with just some basic questions?
Questions only strengthens the point.
A person whose ONLY value is being a person still has a basic cost of living which, if they intend to continue to be a person, must be met somehow, and as far as I know there are only 3 ways to do that, work, commit crimes of be on the dole. Or some combination of the 3. The best case scenario is work...the other 2 cause all manner of ill shite. Given that the best case is work we should expect work to meet that basic cost of living, whatever it is, so we do not have people meeting their nut through crime of being on the dole. We have them on the dole now when they are working full time....because their employer does not pay them whatever their basic cost of living is.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:11 pm to AwgustaDawg
The more you type the dumber you look
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:12 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The best case scenario is work...the other 2 cause all manner of ill shite. Given that the best case is work we should expect work to meet that basic cost of living, whatever it is, so we do not have people meeting their nut through crime of being on the dole. We have them on the dole now when they are working full time....because their employer does not pay them whatever their basic cost of living is.
Again I'll ask what this magical basic cost of living is.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:14 pm to tigersmanager
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The more you type the dumber you look
That happens when someone tries to defend a ridiculous position.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 3:14 pm to AwgustaDawg
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still has a basic cost of living which
I thought you aren't for living wages
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