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re: SpaceX's new Falcon Heavy rocket at the launchpad edit: Today's the launch date

Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:08 am to
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:08 am to
I truly hope the ingrate reprobates on pages 1-3 are at peace with their fallacious initiatives.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:30 am to
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idlewatcher


FYI

Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:36 am to
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It's not game over by any means. His accomplishments will only make the others better.


Obviously didn't read the article.

If Falcon Heavy is successful, it means that all other heavy lift rockets that are currently in service will be no longer be economically feasible. The Falcon Heavy being successful will not make the Delta IV Heavy, Russia's Proton, or Europe's Ariane 5 more efficient. It will make them obsolete. When the Samsung Galaxy S 8 came out, did that make the iPhone 4 better?
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:38 am to
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When the Samsung Galaxy S 8 came out, did that make the iPhone 4 better?
It will make the next iPhone better. Not sure it is going to work that way with heavy rockets though, given the limited need/use for heavy rockets.
Posted by CM Tiger83
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:39 am to
If he is successful, I don’t see there being a real competitor until BO’s New Glenn and that’s just a paper rocket at this point. ULA is developing an new rocket but it won’t be reusable which doesn’t make sense to me.
Posted by CM Tiger83
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:42 am to
My only question is wether the current heavy launch rockets really cost 400-500 mil to launch or did they just charge that much since they were the only player.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:44 am to
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given the limited need/use for heavy rockets.


The cheaper it is the more it will be used.

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It will make the next iPhone better.


That's not the point Musk was making.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 9:45 am
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:47 am to
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The cheaper it is the more it will be used.
not on a scale where an apple/Samsung analogy has any relevance.

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That's not the point Musk was making.
I was simply responding to your analogy.

Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:48 am to
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If Falcon Heavy is successful, it means that all other heavy lift rockets that are currently in service will be no longer be economically feasible. The Falcon Heavy being successful will not make the Delta IV Heavy, Russia's Proton, or Europe's Ariane 5 more efficient. It will make them obsolete. When the Samsung Galaxy S 8 came out, did that make the iPhone 4 better?



Just think about the amount of financial interest there is in sabotaging the launch.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:50 am to


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not on a scale where an apple/Samsung analogy has any relevance.



plug in anything. Do new flat screen TVs make a CRT from the 50s better? Does a new car make your old one better? Do new highways make old ones better? Does a new house make your old house better? Do new shoes make old worn out shoes better?
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 9:55 am
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:52 am to
I didn't miss the point, I'm pointing out your analogy was terrible.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31528 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:52 am to
Live feed from https://www.spacex.com/webcast. Nothing on it yet.


The first test flight of Falcon Heavy is targeted for Tuesday, Feb. 6th at 1:30 PM ET from Launch Complex 39A at Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
Posted by CM Tiger83
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2011
739 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 9:55 am to
It usually goes live 20-30 minutes before the launch.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35923 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:01 am to
I was just coming to try and see if I could find the launch window and link to the stream. You provided both.

Thanks.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:01 am to
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It will make the next iPhone better.


This is where you are missing the point. Musk, nor I, were talking about future heavy lift rockets. He was specifically saying that the FH will make all current heavy lift rockets obsolete.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35923 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:13 am to
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He was specifically saying that the FH will make all current heavy lift rockets obsolete.


I agree with this, but it will not be immediately. I would hazard they will get a few clients willing to take a risk, but most clients will want to see multiple successful launches before everyone comes to SpaceX for the cost savings over DeltaIV, etc.

Posted by phutureisyic
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:19 am to
Thanks for the info.
Posted by CM Tiger83
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2011
739 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:22 am to
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I agree with this, but it will not be immediately. I would hazard they will get a few clients willing to take a risk, but most clients will want to see multiple successful launches before everyone comes to SpaceX for the cost savings over DeltaIV, etc.


Not really. They already have launches lined up for the air force & Aribasat. the next 3 EELV launches are also out for bid and this demo will qualify them to bid.
This post was edited on 2/6/18 at 10:27 am
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31528 posts
Posted on 2/6/18 at 10:44 am to
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I agree with this, but it will not be immediately. I would hazard they will get a few clients willing to take a risk, but most clients will want to see multiple successful launches before everyone comes to SpaceX for the cost savings over DeltaIV, etc.



Good news is the engines used are already well tested and the Falcon Heavy is a modified version of 3 Falcon 9's stuck together which are well tested.
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