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re: South Carolina shooting: police dashcam footage released
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:36 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:36 pm to MightyYat
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I know you're trying to be a smart arse but you know exactly what he's talking about.
Then why don't you answer the question and not dance around it.
I can honestly say I have no idea what the frick the black community is?
Is there a white community?
ETA:
I find it interesting that there are always certain questions people refuse to answer. They just give answers like, you know what he means.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 12:38 pm
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Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:38 pm to bigpetedatiga
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Sir, I apologize but I am not familiar with this black community that you speak of.
See - what has happened here is that, in an attempted coup, certain black folks like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton (and a plethora of others) started using the mantra left over from the black civil rights movement (a noble enterprise, I'll grant you, but one that has become corrupt and counterproductive over time, similar to labor unions) of speaking as though the "black community" is this monolithic, "one brain, many bodies" force of nature, as opposed to some 40 million individual Americans of all shapes, sizes and possessing individual brains.
Now, this population control/mind control was done for no other purpose than to leverage black votes into political power for the Democrat party and enrich it's so-called leaders.
NOW, flash forward to today - stupid white people, wanting to sound "hip", "dope" or "down" and cool and oh so "not racist" have picked up on this language and use it in, generally a parochial way.
Heck, I, despite being one smart motherf*cker, catch myself doing this at times and have to correct it mid sentence.
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Is it all blacks or just certain blacks?
It should be obvious that it is only "certain" blacks.
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What is black culture?
Basically urban, hip hop, "NBA" culture - with the baggy pants, loud "bass-heavy" music, shooting and oversized and/or spinning wheels on vehicles.
So, if that's not you, sucks to be lumped in with everybody I know, but ultimately that's your fault, Big Pete, because you are, after all [in a whisper - black].
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:41 pm to KosmoCramer
The guy that shot the video is either very brave or very stupid. Imagine watching someone murdering another person while you are taking video. He ran up closer for a better angle.
He is lucky he is not victim number two. This rogue LEO must have known he was there.
Also, forensics would have told the victim was shot in the back, from a distance. Did this LEO think he was going to get away with murder?
He is lucky he is not victim number two. This rogue LEO must have known he was there.
Also, forensics would have told the victim was shot in the back, from a distance. Did this LEO think he was going to get away with murder?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:44 pm to Hangit
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Imagine watching someone murdering another person while you are taking video.
Knowing you're probably the only witness and that this cop just killed one cat - he might not have any qualms or think he has anything left to lose but to kill you too.
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very brave or very stupid
Why can't it be both?
I said this earlier in this story cycle, but I would have hit the deck or started running - no way I would have made a record of that.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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"NBA" culture
You mean like these thugs?
Sorry I couldn't resist. 
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:46 pm to Ace Midnight
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NOW, flash forward to today - stupid white people, wanting to sound "hip", "dope" or "down" and cool and oh so "not racist" have picked up on this language and use it in, generally a parochial way.
Gotcha
Kinda like now how they just say thug instead of N#$%*
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:47 pm to Hangit
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Also, forensics would have told the victim was shot in the back, from a distance. Did this LEO think he was going to get away with murder?
With a taser by the dead perp, and the cop saying he stole it? Open and shut case.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:53 pm to bigpetedatiga
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Kinda like now how they just say thug instead of N#$%*
Well - Big Pete - I don't know how old a fella you are, but lets assume your grandparents were born in the 1930s - I might use the word "thug" the same your grandparents or even parents might use the word - not to connote skin color, but to delineate based on character.
I might even use the word to describe non-black individuals with "thuggish" characteristics. In my personal case, "punk" is more of a mischevious, do nothing, but generally harmless beyond, maybe some skateboarding damage, broken bottles, perhaps graffiti while "thug" implies young men (of whatever persuasion) who are actively up to no good, going beyond broken bottles to burglary, robbery, car theft - significant criminal activity.
I never use the word as a proxy for race - but I understand your sensitivity to code words.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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I never use the word as a proxy for race - but I understand your sensitivity to code words
No sensitive here. I was making am point, that I think a lot of people use that word now, instead of the N word.
Take Richard Sherman for example. He talked a little trash on tv and was labeled a thug by a certain sector of americans.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:03 pm to NYNolaguy1
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With a taser by the dead perp, and the cop saying he stole it? Open and shut case.
It is becoming clear now, that the witness video shows, more or less, the end of the struggle over the taser. Now, whether or not the decedent actually had control of it for any length of time is unclear, but it appears that it was dropped at the site of that portion of the chase and struggle. About the time it hit the ground, the shooting started.
(ETA: And, after seeing the longer, enhanced footage, the cop appears to, fairly calmly, walk over the the taser, and bring it back to drop next to the handcuffed subject - clearly tampering with evidence. Tampering with evidence in a situation where your actions will be investigated, while not dispositive, strongly suggests guilt and knowledge of that guilt.)
I'm pretty much to this point - IF (BIG if here) the taser went off and the officer felt threatened, it might have justified a single shot within half second, second of that. But once it was clear the taser was on the ground and the subject was fleeing - all of that "one man firing squad" into the back of the decedent here - he's got to answer for every one of those and, in my wildest imagination, he cannot. He was clearly not armed (after the taser hit the ground) - he was clearly running away. The shooting appears to be a fairly cold-blooded execution.
Now, I will say that the cop appeared within his discretion to stop the vehicle. If ole boy had a warrant, it would have been whatever the law and policy said at the time, regarding whether or not the cop was justified in attempting to make the arrest. It appears the subject fled, then resisted (at least to some degree) and fled again. None of that was a good idea.
But, does not appear to be justification for an execution, either. Fleeing should have elevated a misdemeanor arrest (based on a, essentially, a civil warrant) to a felony and that should have been enough to prevent the guy from doing it in the first place. The stop and subsequent illegal actions by the officer do not appear racially motivated, without additional evidence of a racial animus. He was in the area. He spotted a broken taillight. He stopped the car.
Then, things went horribly, horribly wrong - for everyone involved.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:06 pm to Napoleon
quote:the retired black BR Police Officer?
Sidney Mack
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Just for argument sake - if the dispatcher told the officer about the warrant and driver should be considered armed and dangerous, could the cop make a case that the dude was running back to his car to get a weapon? (reach I know)
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:11 pm to The Mick
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Just for argument sake - if the dispatcher told the officer about the warrant and driver should be considered armed and dangerous, could the cop make a case that the dude was running back to his car to get a weapon?
He appeared to be neither an imminent nor a remote threat. There were additional officers in the area and converging. I'm not even sure he was running back towards his car, but even so, the cop was already armed - give chase and subdue if possible - if the subject ultimately arms himself, the cop would literally already have the draw on him.
But, no, I can't say he can be presumed to be armed without additional probable cause demonstrated.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:27 pm to ForeverLSU02
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Ace Midnight
I'm gonna add a side topic for those who don't want to argue race.
It is my opinion that Law Enforcement at every level should be adding additional training on how to properly deal with a growing sentiment of untrust from the community. One cop friend I discussed it with says they have received non and he still stands firm in that the problem here lies with the public and their right to comply.
I know it will cost money for additional training, but they are being failed at a massive level and they are the ones who have to make these real time, sometimes life altering decisions at a moments notice. It's such a sad circle.
I've said before and I'll say it again that the lack of trust from civilians to police and the lack of respect from police to civilians feels like it is getting worse, not better. Maybe thats because of social media, but at least my perception is that this is much more of an issue now than it was just 5 or 6 years ago.
It is my opinion that Law Enforcement at every level should be adding additional training on how to properly deal with a growing sentiment of untrust from the community. One cop friend I discussed it with says they have received non and he still stands firm in that the problem here lies with the public and their right to comply.
I know it will cost money for additional training, but they are being failed at a massive level and they are the ones who have to make these real time, sometimes life altering decisions at a moments notice. It's such a sad circle.
I've said before and I'll say it again that the lack of trust from civilians to police and the lack of respect from police to civilians feels like it is getting worse, not better. Maybe thats because of social media, but at least my perception is that this is much more of an issue now than it was just 5 or 6 years ago.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:38 pm to bigpetedatiga
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ir, I apologize but I am not familiar with this black community that you speak of
You know all those black people that get bent out of shape when a white guy kills a black guy...whether it is justified or not and scream no justice, no peace...you have never seen that community?
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I must have missed the memo. How does it work? Where is it located? Is it all blacks or just certain blacks? Is there a membership?
based on these questions I am afraid maybe you have more important things going on in your life to protest about these types of things...you sure you aren't white?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 7:13 pm to bigpetedatiga
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Any information you could give me would be greatly appreciated. As a black male I do not want to miss out.
Of course I'm not talking abiut every black person. But go into most black communities and what do you See? Generation after generation of living off the government. Yes that not politically correct to say but truth is the truth.
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Almost forgot this part. What is black culture? I want to make sure I am doing it right.
If you have to ask what is black culture then you're lost. 85 percent single parent homes. 80 percent of the crime committed in this country. Do they have good black people hell yes without a doubt but the majority falls well below this guideline. Instead of stealing to prove your point. Have peaceful rallies. Protest be pissed stand up for what you believe in. But to try to day something is wrong by turning around and stealing and raiding stores shows ignorance. Like I said combine your forces. Blacks have stood up for more things in this country than any other race pwriod. That's something to be proud of. But as of late it's only looting and stealing and what this bad cop did to us instead of looking what you did wrong.
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