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Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:33 am to Topwater Trout
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Difference between us SS is I don't care about the race of the cop and victim...I would post anyway but if the victim was white you wouldn't post in this thread.
Not sure if that's true, brother.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:38 am to jg8623
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Difference between us SS is I don't care about the race of the cop and victim...I would post anyway but if the victim was white you wouldn't post in this thread.
This is true. And most people are the same way. Sure, there are some racist assholes out there for sure. But for the majority of people it really doesn't matter until it gets talked about so damn much
Bringing up race issues in situations like these only cause people of different races to become more divided
It because an issues when there are glaring disparities in everytning that matters in our society. We can act like it doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean that there aren't issues out there that some groups are historically more subjected to.
Why must we ignore race? To make other people feel comfortable about the elephant in the room?
Don't get me wrong, this is an issue that effects ALL Americans, if so, why can some Americans not empathize with the plights of some of their other fellow citizens
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:42 am to StrongSafety
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Why must we ignore race? To make other people feel comfortable about the elephant in the room?
Never said ignore race. Just pointing out that every time there's an incident with someone who's white and someone who's black it immediately turns into a race story, regardless of whether the incident was racially fueled in the first place
I'm not trying to say that people aren't treated/perceived differently or anything like that, just that it's the first thing you hear when something happens between 2 different races, mainly black and white, that it "must be because of racism".
ETA: and the people that immediately scream racism as an excuse or reason for an incident usually tend to be racist themselves
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 12:47 am
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:42 am to Grim
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Are you serious? If a person shoots another fleeing defenseless person, be it in the hood or anywhere else, it is every bit as illegal. If you really don't see why when a police officer, whose job is to protect and serve citizens, kills a fleeing defenseless person it gets more media attention, then I can't help you
How many people are killed in the hood every year that are senseless killings? Yet the community gets outraged on the rare occasion it is done by a cop. Yeh that makes sense...black lives matter...as long as they aren't killed by a thug in the hood.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:43 am to Asgard Device
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When will the police force take personal responsibility for their heinous act?
I had a thread about this and the cops showed up and said that its no big deal, the tax payer is on the hook either way, so don't worry about it.
The fact is that when the family sues due to wrongful death, the money will come out of city budgets for streets, parks, and healthcare. The one budget that won't be impacted is the police department's.
It's a double edged sword---we need their service. But they are public service in charge of protecting the very thing that separates us from every other country in this world--our laws.
The change has to start from within. Cops need to hold their brothers accountable. Cops need to snitch on each other. We have to find ways to stop the DOJ from taking control of a PD...that means damage has ready been done. We need ways hold the cops accountable and to have laws that severely punish public servants that abuse the law.
Honestly, I'm not pro death penalty, but any cop that is found liable for a wrong shooting should never see a day of freedom ever again.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:53 am to StrongSafety
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Don't get me wrong, this is an issue that effects ALL Americans, if so, why can some Americans not empathize with the plights of some of their other fellow citizens
The "plight" has come a long way in the last 40-50 years yet some act like it has gotten worse....it's become a crutch. Early 90's a very well respected black lawyer and professor at SU told me the young people of today have no clue what we went through when we were young....that was 20 years ago
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:53 am to jg8623
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Never said ignore race. Just pointing out that every time there's an incident with someone who's white and someone who's black it immediately turns into a race story, regardless of whether the incident was racially fueled in the first place
I'm not trying to say that people aren't treated/perceived differently or anything like that, just that it's the first thing you hear when something happens between 2 different races, mainly black and white, that it "must be because of racism".
Gotcha. And I can definitely see your point--in starting to see the media fall into these "race traps" as well. I guess my question is how much can we ignore historical precedents if they seemingly and sadly keep reoccurring? When will the tide shift ?
When there is seemingly a new video every day of some cops explicitly targeting black men, or talking about arresting them, or public servants/officials making racist and unamerican jokes, it's almost as if we are going back into a time vault.
Maybe we should stop telling black folks to do a,b,c,d so that racism will stop. Respectability politics fell flat on its face.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:57 am to Napoleon
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Man listening to Everlast, and instead of being chilled he goes all Sidney Mack.
I hope this is a joke. That video was clearly sped up but the audio wasn't, meaning CNN put that in on their own.
fricking disgrace "journalism" if you ask me
Posted on 4/10/15 at 12:58 am to Topwater Trout
Don't get me wrong, it has come a long way, but there is no reason to be satisfied. We don't give those freedoms fighters (young people) enough credit for what they really did. They actualized our great democracy and finally got our nation to become a democracy. They are truly some of Americas greatest heroes--great enough, that in my eye, they need to be on printed money.
They ushered in a wave of talented immigrants that came here to see their dreams realized. It's truly remarkable to read about the transformation our country had from 1955-1970.
They ushered in a wave of talented immigrants that came here to see their dreams realized. It's truly remarkable to read about the transformation our country had from 1955-1970.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:07 am to Topwater Trout
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How many people are killed in the hood every year that are senseless killings
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by Topwater Trout
Those other killings you're trying to point out are not being done by someone that is paid to protect and serve the people he is detaining.
The cop is wrong as wrong as gets and he should spend the rest of his life in prison .
Take everything else away, at the end of the day he shot a 50 year old unarmed man in the back 8 times over a traffic stop
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:08 am to StrongSafety
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I guess my question is how much can we ignore historical precedents if they seemingly and sadly keep reoccurring? When will the tide shift ?
Right around the same time black people don't land at the top of the list of who's committing the most crimes. When will that tide shift? How about they read a fricking book and try to become productive members of society?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:14 am to MightyYat
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Right around the same time black people don't land at the top of the list of who's committing the most crimes. When will that tide shift? How about they read a fricking book and try to become productive members of society?
Holy shite!!!
Way to show your stance. Lol.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:23 am to Napoleon
quote:I'm sure this has been stated, not reading 7 pages, but SC stopped doing car inspections a LONG time ago.
The actual brake lights have to work in a vehicle, you can pass inspection without the third one working. The third light being out shouldn't cause a pull over. That being said, this guy had no insurance and no proof he owned the car. Fleeing would of added more jail time and the cop had his ID. He made a stupid move that cost him his life. He shouldn't have died, but he shouldn't have tried to flee either.
Not to change the subject but they really are just a money grab from the state.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 1:29 am to WHATDOINO
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Holy shite!!!
Way to show your stance. Lol.
Why pussyfoot around it? It shouldn't be about race but, as usual, SS has to show up with his deck of race cards. I'd say less than 100 black folks are killed each year by white cops. There's tens of thousands of black people killing other black people yet people like SS think the change has to start with the police. That line of thinking has to stop first.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 2:26 am to WHATDOINO
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The cop is wrong as wrong as gets and he should spend the rest of his life in prison .
And he probably will. So what is your point?
Has anyone defended the murderer?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:29 am to Topwater Trout
Don't run from the police and live to see another day, Run from police and it's not going to turn out well.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 5:42 am to MightyYat
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I don't think anyone is disputing that it was a bad decision. Just try not to lose track of the fact that he shot an unarmed person in the back 8 times while he was running away. He wasn't in a struggle. He wasn't in a shootout. The guy could've easily been rundown by someone with just below average physical fitness. What this cop decided to do is as heinous as it gets.
I havent lost track of the fact that the cop was wrong. Not many people have. He'll face his own set of consequences.
It's just that there is a definitive lesson to learn about running from cops. They shouldn't shoot you, agreed. But your chances of being shot in the back skyrocket when you run. You're forcing an individual (human) with a gun to make a very quick decision. Not smart. If I'm in a situation with a cop, I'm going to allow him to calmly think all of his decisions through.
I just hope people can learn from this. I really do. Scott MADE A MISTAKE. One that didn't warrant the consequences, but he made a mistake indeed.
This post was edited on 4/10/15 at 5:51 am
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:15 am to jacquespene8
The guy is charged with murder. Can you imagine the outcome if he is not convicted? I would expect Rodney King type riots in EVERY city.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 6:20 am to ForeverLSU02
Run from the cops, you could very well get shot.
Not saying I think the officer acted appropriately, just saying I'm not at all surprised by this outcome.
Not saying I think the officer acted appropriately, just saying I'm not at all surprised by this outcome.
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