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re: Solve this math problem

Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:02 am to
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:02 am to
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I hate myself for replying to this thread, but the use of the division symbol implies the slash is a fraction bar.


No, it doesn't, only parentheses would imply that a division slash is a fraction bar.

A division sign and a slash have the same effect.

Unless you also expect people to guess as to whether or not the "9-3" and/or the "+1" are also part of the same fraction, which they aren't.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:09 am to
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A division sign and a slash have the same effect.


Why go out of your way to use the division sign on a computer keyboard if the slash means the same thing? If you're going to be cute, I'm going to be cute.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:11 am to
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Why go out of your way to use the division sign on a computer keyboard if the slash means the same thing? If you're going to be cute, I'm going to be cute.



Ignoring order of operations isn't cute, it's just wrong. Without grouping symbols, the answer is 9.

Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:12 am to
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Why go out of your way to use the division sign on a computer keyboard if the slash means the same thing?
Because the OP doesn't understand the syntax necessary to represent the problem correctly.

As lsuboo stated, the +1 could fall under the fraction then it becomes 1/4, and the answer is now -3.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:20 am to
Not even going to wade into this problem, but has anyone noticed how all of the most heated math problems on the OT usually have at least one division sign and no parenthesis?

Just seems to be a common trend...
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:20 am to
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As lsuboo stated, the +1 could fall under the fraction then it becomes 1/4, and the answer is now -3.


Actually, 9-3÷1/3+1 would group as (9-3÷1)/(3+1).
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:21 am to
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Not even going to wade into this problem, but has anyone noticed how all of the most heated math problems on the OT usually have at least one division sign and no parenthesis?

Just seems to be a common trend...


You should have seen the original problem OP posted. Absolutely no way to get an answer other than 9, and still people arguing about it.

Had one genius saying we need to worry about intent before answering a math problem. This thread has been money.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:22 am to
To intentionally be a dickhead and troll Facebook and message boards.

There is no such thing in math as a "fraction bar." That is a term by used by grade school teachers to teach grade school students who are just getting their feet wet with this stuff. 1/3 is a mathematical expression.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:22 am to
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Actually, 9-3÷1/3+1 would group as (9-3÷1)/(3+1).


How did you come up with that arbitrary grouping?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:23 am to
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Actually, 9-3÷1/3+1 would group as (9-3÷1)/(3+1).


No, it wouldn't.

It wouldn't group at all.

However, (9-3÷1)/(3+1) at the very least would be more correct (based on historical math syntax) than 9-3÷(1/3)+1.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:30 am to
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How did you come up with that arbitrary grouping?


It makes sense, unlike 9-3÷1/(3+1) that others suggested could be a valid alternative interpretation. One could make the precedence of slash lower than the other operators and write a grammar for this hypothetical system.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:32 am to
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It makes sense


No it doesn't. There are no grouping symbols, so why randomly pick that grouping?

quote:

valid alternative interpretation


There is only one "interpretation." And that results in an answer of 9. Anything else is making assumptions that change the problem.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:34 am to
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No it doesn't. There are no grouping symbols, so why randomly pick that grouping?



It makes sense, and it isn't random. Go back and read the discussion.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:34 am to
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It makes sense, and it isn't random. Go back and read the discussion.


You don't get to just decide where to add parentheses to a math problem. The problem is what the problem is.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:36 am to
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No it doesn't. There are no grouping symbols, so why randomly pick that grouping?


Historically, that could be one way to look at it, with everything to the left of the / as the numerator, and everything to right as the denominator.

That's an outdated approach though, and is no longer a valid solution.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:39 am to
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Actually, 9-3÷1/3+1 would group as (9-3÷1)/(3+1).
So you would get an answer of 1.5 then so however you want to "group" the fraction, it shows that it's incorrect.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:40 am to
When was it ever a valid solution to randomly group shite together in a math problem?
Posted by TigerBait2008
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:40 am to
20 pages



Buncha clowns
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:40 am to
Another shite post from the king of shite posts.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 9/6/17 at 11:41 am to
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When was it ever a valid solution to randomly group shite together in a math problem?


I didn't say anything about randomly grouping.

And I'm talking 100 years ago... so like I said... no longer a valid solution.
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