re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match

Lee wins vs Tyson.

Lee loses against this guy though

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Lee easy. Anyone that thinks he wasn't strong should read up on him. He kicked a 300lb heavy bag and made it touch the ceiling. Anyone with that kind of power would fold Tyson like cheap tent with one kick. Game over.

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It's not about Lee's power. I don't doubt he would tag Tyson and mount some offense. I doubt the ability of someone 135 lbs to take more than a couple of flush shots from a prime Tyson. Could Lee completely avoid being hit against a skilled pugilist? Because who here thinks any 135 pound guy could take a hit from Tyson and be ok to win a fight?

One of these guys got hit for a living. The other didn't.

But people think Lee would take Tyson out without having to take any of Tyson's shots. Ok.

There are plenty of world class martial artists that weigh 100 lbs soaking wet. They aren't beating up NFL defensive linemen, I don't care how skilled they are. At some point, superior skills aren't enough to counteract a size/strength/mass disparity, especially if the other guy is pretty damn skilled in his own right.

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I watched a couple of episodes of "Being Mike Tyson" - I'm happy he's got to a somewhat sane place in his life. His story could have ended tragically a long time ago.

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If you enjoyed that, check out the documentary. I always get choked up when he talks about his childhood and learning how to fight.

What an awesome thread for me. I'm a Tyson AND Lee enthusiast.

This is an apples/oranges comparison for debate. Tyson had insane speed and power. Bruce, while smaller, had unreal speed and outstanding/unbelievable power behind it all. Does that mean more than Tyson? No. But a 135lb LEAN CUT asian dude that could hit as hard as Tyson(and I'm sure he could)is INSANELY impressive.

One thing we can say about both is that we never saw them in a no-rules all-out fight so we can't know how either would perform. Mike Tyson grew up in hard conditions. Bruce Lee grew up in China, fresh out of Japanese oppression from war, as well as dealing with heavy racism for being part caucasian. It's said that Ip Man couldn't personally train him because he wasn't pure Chinese.

All things considered, I would have to give the fight to Bruce Lee simply BECAUSE it's no-rules. Mike had punching speed and insane upper body mobilty, but the edge certainly belongs to Bruce in every facet relevant to a fight. Where this matters most, though, is foot speed and how fast he could move AROUND Mike. It wouldn't be a landslide, but Bruce would win.

Bruce would not stand toe-to-toe with Mike, but would still manage to get shots in that would definitely hurt. Not to mention the fact that Bruce would be going for vulnerable points of the body...pressure points, joints, throat, etc. Bruce would know his 135lb weight would be a disadvantage and wouldn't put himself in the position to be basically picked up off the floor like a barbell.

Consider also how everyone KNEW that Mike would tire out quick after the initial burst. I think that would also play a huge part considering Mike would be chasing Bruce a lot, likely missing punches often. His power, aside from a lucky shot, would be no factor.

I own a lot of the literature that's been published from Bruce's notes(and, to be fair, the Mike Tyson book/biography and most of his fights) and you can be sure Mike's body would tire and quit well before Bruce's.

Not to mention the mental aspect. Bruce wouldn't be intimidated. Mike would get frustrated from all the chasing.

Bruce Lee victory for sure, but not fast. Mike was a great boxer and would win a straight-up boxing match. But Bruce Lee was a student and practitioner of the art of fighting ITSELF in all facets. He studied boxing heavily for the footwork and close-up punching. But add to that fencing, wing chun, etc. He took from everything what would be useful. Bruce Lee said himself a real fight would be nothing like the flashyness you see in movies. With real fighting(for example wing chun) the idea is to end the fight as SOON as possible...be it death or what have you. That is certainly also an edge in no-rules combat. Bruce wouldn't be going for headshot KOs. He'd bust your knees, pop you in the nerve-clusters at your shoulder joints and neck, he'd make you HURT.

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Tyson wouldn't get a punch in

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Because of Tyson's skill I'd never say Bruce wouldn't get hit, but I would bet surely that Bruce would never get hit with the full extent of power and weight of Tyson's punches. Bruce is too small, too quick, too mobile for that. And Tyson would wear himself out LONG before Bruce Lee would.

Youre wrong. Pressure points, krav manga, muay thai, all come into play.

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In my youth I hung out in bars all over the world, never saw a 135lb MMA fighter as a bouncer, always a 6'3" or more 280lb bruiser. Also saw more than one guy trained in martial arts get dragged out of the bar by his foot after the bouncer caught his kick mopped the floor with him, movies are not real life.

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You are correct, but Lee was not "ordinary". he was one of a kind.

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The legend of Bruce Lee is out of control.

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No doubt about that.

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He kicked a 300lb heavy bag and made it touch the ceiling.

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Im gonna go ahead and say that isnt physically possible.

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Bruce knew and talked on the differences in practical application versus what he did in the movies(that he admitted were just for flash).

Bruce Lee wouldn't be as intimidating as that 6'3 280 bouncer, until he took his shirt off and/or did something. Part of the job for a bouncer is to engage in prevention by appearance/intimidation. Which is not to say they aren't some swole individuals who aren't to be screwed with.

But I assure you if you read or watch interviews he knew and admitted the difference in how he taught and practiced/applied his fighting, versus what he did in movies.

Not to mention the majority of people that "know martial arts" have probably never applied it realistically. For example, because I like Bruce Lee I started learning wing chun, which led me into adding boxing(Tyson homer), tai chi, etc. because I didn't feel like any one style was best equipped for any situation. Bruce Lee realize the same thing, hence Jeet Kune Do.

Bruce Lee was as legit a fighter as he was an entertainer. Trust me on this one, my friends.

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I believe you , I trained Jeet kune do with a guy that studied under Dan Inosanto, he was the real deal, he was smaller than Lee but could do incredible things that I saw first hand.


The movie stuff was just for show.