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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:35 pm to alajones
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:35 pm to alajones
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By using your logic, if Bruce Lee had a gun, and someone said well Bruce would just shoot Tyson, you would want video of Lee shooting someone before you thought he could do it.
You know as well as anyone else that this statement is a huge stretch. All people are saying is that you can't judge a fighter without seeing them really fight.
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:36 pm to EA6B
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Tyson can take a punch form a heavy weight fighter over
Buster Douglas disagrees with this.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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The question is - in a real world fight, both are expecting and prepared for - no rules, no fouls, no referees - who would be the winner - not of a fight to the death, but last man standing.
If you really watched enough Tyson you would know that the world you are referring to is the world Tyson grew up in. You would also know that the problems Tyson went through were mostly because of the loss of D'Amato and the gain of King.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:40 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I also think that people are overestimating the reality of how much of a punch Bruce Lee could take, especially when planted by the heavyweight champion of the world.
This would be a boring, boring fight. Lee would dance, jump, flitter about, and utter little noises, but focus on kicking Tyson low and staying the heck away from him. Tyson would recognize that Lee would be trying to kick him and stay out range.
This would be a boring, boring fight. Lee would dance, jump, flitter about, and utter little noises, but focus on kicking Tyson low and staying the heck away from him. Tyson would recognize that Lee would be trying to kick him and stay out range.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:42 pm to Eternally Undefeated
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but focus on kicking Tyson low and staying the heck away from him. Tyson would recognize that Lee would be trying to kick him and stay out range.
But someone has to eventually make a mistake. I would bet Lee could enrage Tyson enough to get him a little off balance. That would be all it would take.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:45 pm to fisherbm1112
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If you really watched enough Tyson you would know that the world you are referring to is the world Tyson grew up in.
Lee, too. He kept getting into fights, so his father sent him to Wing Chun school to channel this.
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You would also know that the problems Tyson went through were mostly because of the loss of D'Amato and the gain of King.
Are we talking about the problems Tyson had in the boxing ring after Cus died, or the "out of the ring" problems caused by his million dollar body being driven by a $0.05 head (although, now that I look back - and I truly was/is a Mike Tyson fan - he had severe, undiagnosed mental conditions that were not helped by either boxing, or the money/fame/notoriety it brought him).
I liked the young knockout kid Mike Tyson, and I like the middle-aged, reflective Mike Tyson - at least the guy Mike Tyson and his handlers want us to see now - that madman in the middle is something I can do without.
Bruce Lee is kind of like James Dean (and to a lesser degree, Marilyn Monroe and Kurt Cobain) - dying at or near your peak kind of freezes you in time. People cannot imagine you at other times. His movie career is the main reason we know about him in the West - he was not a point-fighter or tournament champion - all of that is true.
Doesn't mean he wasn't one of the baddest 145lb men who ever lived.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:45 pm to Ace Midnight
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But the skill set, coupled with Lee's other physical tools would make him a legitimate threat in any such formless, ruleless, violent individual unarmed conflict. He would be a threat against anyone - a serious one.
By this same senario you also have to assume that since Tyson had time to prepare for the fight he would not be mastered in the same techniques but would be acquainted with them.
So by that you would have the table leaning heavily to Tyson in boxing with dabbles in wrestling, karate, kung fu, judo, whatever and have Lee who mastered two styles of karate from my quick research and dabbles in boxing and others. So you basically have Karate at 160lbs vs Boxing at 233lbs
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:46 pm to Eternally Undefeated
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This would be a boring, boring fight. Lee would dance, jump, flitter about, and utter little noises, but focus on kicking Tyson low and staying the heck away from him. Tyson would recognize that Lee would be trying to kick him and stay out range
Lee wouldn't be able to stay out of range unless he eventually turned tale and ran away. Boxers know how to close distance and fight on the inside. Especially Tyson. I don't understand how there is so mych talk about Lee's speed either as he was an ACTOR and not an athlete!!!
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:46 pm to Ace Midnight
Another issue: Is there a ring or octagon? If so, how large? Or, are there no boundaries. Check out of the Irish fist fights and see how a man can manage to stay in a fight for quite a while by simply backing up (running) the entire time.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:49 pm to DanTiger
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. I don't understand how there is so mych talk about Lee's speed either as he was an ACTOR and not an athlete!!!
You just look dumb every time you repeat this. I mean, really dumb.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:50 pm to Ace Midnight
Have you ever seen the documentary called "Tyson"?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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Are we talking about the problems Tyson had in the boxing ring after Cus died, or the "out of the ring" problems caused by his million dollar body being driven by a $0.05 head (although, now that I look back - and I truly was/is a Mike Tyson fan - he had severe, undiagnosed mental conditions that were not helped by either boxing, or the money/fame/notoriety it brought him).
Tysons problems were caused by King. D'Amato would not have let Tyson get to there without at least putting up a fight. Cus was way too old school to let the best fighter he ever trained go down like that. I agree Tyson was screwed in the head, anybody with the upbringing he had would have been which I think is what made him the ruthless fighter he was.
I agree with you completely that he was amazing at what he did. I just really think it is silly to pair a theoretic amazing fighter with a proven one. Especially in a street fight which is Tysons wheel house.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:52 pm to CadesCove
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You just look dumb every time you repeat this. I mean, really dumb.
I understand you are passionate about this issue but I know a great deal about Lee and the legend that surrounds him. He was a student of karate but so are half of the 11yr old girls in this country. He had absolutely no documented fighting experience in or out of the ring. He was a pill popping speed freak that made good movies. I am sorry if you refuse to believe this but it is the truth.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:52 pm to Eternally Undefeated
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Another issue: Is there a ring or octagon? If so, how large? Or, are there no boundaries. Check out of the Irish fist fights and see how a man can manage to stay in a fight for quite a while by simply backing up (running) the entire time.
Street fight so I assume pretty open. Lee would run around for awhile I'm sure but I'm also sure he would get curious.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:53 pm to fisherbm1112
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So you basically have Karate at 160lbs
he was 135 at the beginning of this thread, then 145, now 160.
When he gets to 195 or so, I think I´m taking Lee.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:53 pm to Dandy Lion
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When he gets to 195 or so, I think I´m taking Lee.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:54 pm to fisherbm1112
Jeet Kune Do literally means "the way of the intercepting fist" His fighting technique was all about redirection. Lee would never "block" a punch. Rather he would see his fist coming, and move his body out of the way or redirect his punch away. Then Lee would whoop dat a**
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:55 pm to fisherbm1112
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Lee who mastered two styles of karate
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When Bruce arrived in the US he (already) had training in Wu Style Tai Chi, sometimes in Hong Kong called Ng-ga. And he had of course training in western boxing. He had training in fencing from his brother, that's Epee, that goes from toe to head. He had training obviously in Wing Chun. And the other area was the training he had received in Buk Pie, or Tam Toi, he was twelve sets in Tam Toi. And I believe he had traded with a Choy Li Fut man.
—Danny Inosanto
And of course, this doesn't include the training he did in the U.S., founding JKD, the Judo and wrestling from Gene Lebell, the above-the-waist kicking from Chuck Norris, and on and on and on.
It was his life's work, his profession, his vocation and his hobby. Even as a youngster, boxing was just Tyson's job.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:56 pm to Dandy Lion
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he was 135 at the beginning of this thread, then 145, now 160.
I was looking at his listed weights and the few I read were 160-170. If he is in fact 135 then I wouldn't even have posted in this thread because I don't care how fast you are you aren't making up for 100lbs on a guy that is equally trained at his own art and also in tip top shape. I also just read he was 160 at his heaviest so I assume that would be his prime weight.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:56 pm to DanTiger
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I don't understand how there is so mych talk about Lee's speed either as he was an ACTOR and not an athlete!!!
Ummmmm......what??
Do you realize that Bruce Lee was named #15 on the Sports Illustrated 50 Greatest Athletes of all-time?
Sometimes, the things said on this board almost knock me out of my chair. But you, my friend, took it to a whole nuther level.
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