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re: SEC schools with good Statistics degree programs.

Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:38 pm to
Yeah medicine is really tough to break into with new techniques or revelations. They are stuck in a paradigm that's been pretty reluctant to switch over.

In fact most hard science fields are in the same boat.

The future is going towards computer science or "big" data.

Moving towards Bayesian as well
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:02 pm to
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The future is going towards computer science or "big" data.

Moving towards Bayesian as well


Bayesian yes.

Big data - I think no. We are reducing the complications in data by producing charts, graphs, and summary statistics. But insight is not being produced. As long as one's goal is to look at the marginals, big data is good. If you want to dig into the conditionals, it fails horribly for a myriad of reasons such as sloppy data entry, measurement error, etc. Those things don't affect the fact that a majority of people pick X, but they usually break down once you want to figure out P(x|y) and so forth.

There was an article, in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PANAS), I think, earlier this year, that gave a nice breakdown of this topic.

This all has its genesis in the aftermath of WWII. An attitude developed in the US that if we could just create enough computational horsepower, we could figure out anything. But it continues to fail us. It started becoming evident in the 60s, turned into a crises in the 70s, note Carter's 'crisis of confidence' speech and all that lay behind the genesis of that speech, and things just continue to move in that direction. In essence as a society we decided to double down on computational horsepower as the key to our future and we're just not seeing the returns as anticipated, or even close.

Most statisticians do understand this. But their customers just want the results, the graphs, tables etc. They don't like to hear the analysts explain all that nasty uncertainty.
This post was edited on 12/27/16 at 11:04 pm
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15646 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:09 pm to
Well said.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36821 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:09 pm to
if you put in the work, you can achieve greatness at any sec school, at least in undergrad. My brother has a statistics degree and masters from uga and ended up at Harvard for his Ph.D. in statistics. He does alright now to say the least.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:20 pm to
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if you put in the work, you can achieve greatness at any sec school, at least in undergrad. My brother has a statistics degree and masters from uga and ended up at Harvard for his Ph.D. in statistics. He does alright now to say the least.


did he work directly under robins or hernan there at harvard? Those are the two names I've followed most closely there, along with rubin to a much lesser degree.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36821 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 12:06 am to
No fricking clue but after a quick google, my guess is no to the first two and a completely unsure "probably" to Rubin.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
9922 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 12:13 am to
Mostly about 83% of the schools in the SEC
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11878 posts
Posted on 12/28/16 at 12:13 am to

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UF


You seem to know your line of work...maybe Chicken will let you on the Tiger Rant--they need some help over there with getting some of LF7's stats correct...
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